(February 3, 2012 at 12:55 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:

(February 3, 2012 at 10:37 am)DreadLock Wrote: vegetarian food is proven to be more healthy
http://www.vegetariantimes.com/resources/why_go_veg/

also check out this links
http://healthandfitnesstimes.com/why-go-vegetarian/897/
http://features.peta.org/VegetarianStarterKit/

So a magazine called "vegetarian times" has said that vegetarian food is proven to be more healthy?

You dont say?

I read on Creation ministries International that Creationism is backed by science.

If Iwere to immediately switch over to a vegan lifestyle right now I would put my body at a health risk. Switching to veganism is so risky that I would suggest people NOT do it. But if they feel they HAVE to do it (for whatever religious or pseudo religious purposes they have for the conversion), then I would highly suggest that you change to it slowly and gradually while being monitored by a doctor or a nutritionist.

Also, once you flip over to a Vegan lifestyle, it is best that you find some good supplements to make up for the Vegan lack of certain minerals and vitamins that a healthy omnivorous diet used to give you. Here is a list of vitamins that are also stamped "vegan approved"

http://www.thriftyvegan.com/vitamin.html...7Qod5Tut3w

Do any people see veganism as different from vegeterianism?

Anyway, I think that for most people, veganism would be the healthier option. Meat and other animal products are primarily sources of proteins, carbs and fats - things we do not require as much now as the early man did when he developed a taste for meat.

Living a hunter-gatherer lifestyle is a very active lifestyle and requires a lot of energy. Energy which would not be sufficiently provided by a vegan lifestyle. But we do not live that life anymore and those needs could easily be met by vegan diet.

I agree, I have a personal bias in the matter. I've seen a lot of people around me who had to go strictly vegetarian due to heart problems. Someday, I might have to do so too, but not yet, since I like meat too much. Either way, I would consider a vegetarian diet a healthier diet.

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(February 3, 2012 at 1:06 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: All rights are arbitrary. Every single right on that constitution was voted up or down by people.

So if all the theists got together and arbitrarily decided to take away the rights of atheists - that would be okay too?

If you do not know what concepts your rights are based on, how do you propose to defend them when they are threatened?

(February 3, 2012 at 1:06 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: But no, ultimately NOTHING is stopping you from eating humans. In this world, ANYTHING goes...rights are merely opinions that people have voted to agree upon.

And agreement can be revoked just as easily. On what grounds would you fight the revocation if you think the agreement was arbitrary in the first place? On what grounds would you convince others to fight beside you?

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(February 3, 2012 at 1:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Right now, I'm not free to kill and eat anyone I want because of the constitutional "right to life" given to every human being.

What "right" is that?

All 50 states have statutes against murder, though.

The right to life. Statute against murder is based on that right.

(February 3, 2012 at 12:55 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:

(February 3, 2012 at 10:37 am)DreadLock Wrote: vegetarian food is proven to be more healthy
http://www.vegetariantimes.com/resources/why_go_veg/

also check out this links
http://healthandfitnesstimes.com/why-go-vegetarian/897/
http://features.peta.org/VegetarianStarterKit/

So a magazine called "vegetarian times" has said that vegetarian food is proven to be more healthy?

You dont say?

You do see that this person provided a link that's from a health site, right?

(February 3, 2012 at 5:22 pm)Diamond Wrote: You do see that this person provided a link that's from a health site, right?

Yes I did, one of them from an article in a health magazine was the only one I found to be relevant and worth reading. Menna Dohannrey
is a nutritionist who is suffering from diabetes. Note that the article is "why go vegetarian". This is VASTLY different from a vegan lifestyle, as being a vegetarian merely means the abscence of MEAT in ones diet. thus vegetarians can eat eggs, milk, cheese, etc. She is not a vegetarian for social or moral reasons, but purely for individual health reasons to fight her disease.

The article from PETA was completely ignored becasue they are VEGAN, which is a LIFESTYLE approach. They would not only legislate laws about what i can and cant eat, they would also severely limit Menna Dohannrey's vegetarian diet as well. Vegans are opposed to milk, eggs, even products and medicines that were used to test on animals. Vegans consider eggs murder and milk and cheese to be theft.

You see, Vegans are NOT vegetarians. Vegans are "animal free" in not only what they eat, but in their social, economic, and political views as well.

One view is purely for personal or health reasons

the other view is a lifestyle activism.

I hope I cleared that up...I dont hate vegetarians. Hell, I have gone vegetarian before. Vegans, on the other hand, I disagree with 100%.

Agree totally there RevJ.

yum yum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE_gmsWG4yY

Could it be said that "Activism" is a religion??

I actually have my picture up on the wall off a burger place here for consuming their colossus burger... meat ftw.

(February 3, 2012 at 9:41 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Could it be said that "Activism" is a religion??

hmmm...good question. I imagine that people can approach their activism with religious zeal.

I look at the word "activism" to be more of a modifier in that sense. One can be a Christian, and one can be an activist christian. One can be an atheist, another can be an activist atheist.

Good question...sounds like a good topic for another thread Kich

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If one were to ask my view on food, I would have to say I like Thomas Jeffersons approach to it.

Vegetables are the main course, and meat is the condiment.

I huge bowl of garden salad with a small piece of chicken on the side. Yeah. Maybe a nice slice of sharp chedar and a slice of french bread and a glass of wine. Thats some healthy eating there. Well balanced. Lots of energy and not too heavy.

thats the way I used to be before I married my German wife... now everything is cheese and sausage...LOL.

(February 3, 2012 at 8:51 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Yes I did, one of them from an article in a health magazine was the only one I found to be relevant and worth reading. Menna Dohannrey
is a nutritionist who is suffering from diabetes. Note that the article is "why go vegetarian". This is VASTLY different from a vegan lifestyle, as being a vegetarian merely means the abscence of MEAT in ones diet. thus vegetarians can eat eggs, milk, cheese, etc. She is not a vegetarian for social or moral reasons, but purely for individual health reasons to fight her disease.

You don't need to tell me, reverend. I'm well-aware of the differences between a vegan and a vegetarian.

(February 3, 2012 at 8:51 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Vegans consider eggs murder and milk and cheese to be theft.

Actually, the trouble that vegans have with egg and milk products is what animals have to go through to provide these things. Chickens are kept in small cages their whole lives and when they can't lay anymore eggs, they're killed. That's the case with free-range chickens as well. And contrary to popular belief, cows, like other mammals, are only able to provide milk after they give birth. Not "because they're cows." So, they're constantly impregnated. And if the calf is male, it's turned to veal (because, obviously, male cows can't provide milk).
I would go vegan, but where I live, it's completely impossible. The only brand of vegan cheese I've ever tried sucks ass and I've never tried almond milk so there's no telling if I would like that. I could do without eggs, though, real or fake. I just plain don't like them.

Quote:they would have me arrested for eating meat, and they would gladly force every single human on this planet to be vegan like they are.

Gee, they sound exactly like religious fuckwits, don't they? Perhaps veganism is their substitute for no sky-daddy?

Quote:The right to life. Statute against murder is based on that right.

Okay - so you don't know much about law, then.