(March 24, 2012 at 9:17 pm)Christian Wrote: I think people are taking the meaning of freewill out of context. Freewill was not meant to be free as in free from everything (no strings attached). It is indeed meant to be a voluntary sacrifice (Lev. 22:23; Ezra 3:5). My definition of freewill is to accept Jesus as my personal saviour and continue to do whatever is permitted from the teachings of the Bible.

Accepting free will on God's terms. Is this what you had in mind?

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Godschild Wrote:Christianity is not a historical religion, man has tried to make history of christianity, to either try and dismiss it as you have or to blame it for undesirable consequences that have occurred in the name of christianity.

It's not history?! Then why believe the son of god visited us? Do you see the NT as one big poem then or..?

Chritians, YOU FUCKING SCARE ME!!!

(March 29, 2012 at 5:09 pm)Godschild Wrote: Christ sacrificed his purity by taking on the sins of all of mankind. That lost purity, as it was before his death can never be recovered. I know you probably do not understand this or care to, but this is the sacrifice He made.

Oh, so its purity he sacrificed now, not his life? That's called moving the goalposts, GC.

So, basically, Christ became sinful for the sake of mankind?

(March 30, 2012 at 3:03 am)genkaus Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 5:09 pm)Godschild Wrote: Christ sacrificed his purity by taking on the sins of all of mankind. That lost purity, as it was before his death can never be recovered. I know you probably do not understand this or care to, but this is the sacrifice He made.

Oh, so its purity he sacrificed now, not his life? That's called moving the goalposts, GC.

So, basically, Christ became sinful for the sake of mankind?

You got it, amazing, God never ceases in opening eyes, Christ did become sin for our sake. You see, I did not move the goalpost, you came to it.
Christ had to die, blood is the atonement for sin, why, life is in the blood.

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(March 29, 2012 at 8:24 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:

Godschild Wrote:Christianity is not a historical religion, man has tried to make history of christianity, to either try and dismiss it as you have or to blame it for undesirable consequences that have occurred in the name of christianity.

It's not history?! Then why believe the son of god visited us? Do you see the NT as one big poem then or..?

The NT leads people who desire a new life to that life, a life with Christ.

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(March 29, 2012 at 5:53 pm)Ace Otana Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 5:09 pm)Godschild Wrote: Christ sacrificed his purity by taking on the sins of all of mankind. That lost purity, as it was before his death can never be recovered.

So he's not all powerful then? Also he can't be all knowing if this was the only solution he could think of. It's needlessly complex. Nature always takes the shortest/easiest route, perhaps god could of done the same?
Also what is purity and does it really matter? Why should it matter?

Salvation is simple, God set it up that way so everyone could understand it. The only thing complex about salvation is pushing one's own self out of the way to receive the gift of grace.

Godschild Wrote:The NT leads people who desire a new life to that life, a life with Christ.

If the NT isn't based on reality because it's not history like you admitted, then why do you live according to it?

(March 30, 2012 at 3:40 am)Godschild Wrote: Salvation is simple, God set it up that way so everyone could understand it. The only thing complex about salvation is pushing one's own self out of the way to receive the gift of grace.

And god couldn't think of a better way that doesn't involve the need for a sacrifice or the existence of a hell? It tells me that he's either incompetent, malicious or is not all knowing. I reckon all three.
I can understand it alright, it's just that it doesn't make any sense.
Also you didn't answer my question, if god can lose and not regain something then he certainly isn't all powerful, so how does that work?. Also you failed to answer my question about 'purity'. What is it and why is it necessary? Why must it matter?

(March 30, 2012 at 4:52 am)Ace Otana Wrote:

(March 30, 2012 at 3:40 am)Godschild Wrote: Salvation is simple, God set it up that way so everyone could understand it. The only thing complex about salvation is pushing one's own self out of the way to receive the gift of grace.

And god couldn't think of a better way that doesn't involve the need for a sacrifice or the existence of a hell? It tells me that he's either incompetent, malicious or is not all knowing. I reckon all three.
I can understand it alright, it's just that it doesn't make any sense.
Also you didn't answer my question, if god can lose and not regain something then he certainly isn't all powerful, so how does that work?. Also you failed to answer my question about 'purity'. What is it and why is it necessary? Why must it matter?

Purity = righteousness, perfection, absolutely moral, pure goodness and ect. There was no necessity, it is who God is, period. It matters because if God was not who he claims to be then we should not trust Him.
You need to stop your circular reasoning, please move in a straight line, your understanding of God is a fail. You want God to give up something, then turn around and say He is not omnipotent if He does not recover what He lost (circular), stop it. For God to give up something He did not have to says a lot for His omnipotence. The power to give it (purity) up and yet retain His integrity now that's power.

(March 30, 2012 at 1:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: You need to stop your circular reasoning, please move in a straight line, your understanding of God is a fail. You want God to give up something, then turn around and say He is not omnipotent if He does not recover what He lost (circular), stop it. For God to give up something He did not have to says a lot for His omnipotence. The power to give it (purity) up and yet retain His integrity now that's power.

Circular reasoning? Where? I've stated that a being that is all powerful (can do anything) can't really lose anything, since he can get it back. If he loses something and cannot regain it, then he is not all powerful. It's very simple. How is it circular?
Also how can I 'want' god to do anything if I don't believe it even exists?
An all powerful god that does not have all power is a contradiction.
God is all powerful (can do anything)
God cannot regain 'purity' (lacks the power)
It's like saying - Santa's slay can go anywhere.
- Santa's slay can't go to the south pole.
It's a contradiction. Either it can go anywhere or it can't.

It's not circular. If god can lose and not regain something, then he is not all powerful. Simple. He has limits.

Of course I'm going to fail to live up to your expectations of understanding 'your' god. It's your imaginary friend, you made him up, you'd know him better than anyone. And you know what? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

Godschild Wrote:Christ had to die, blood is the atonement for sin, why, life is in the blood.

Life is also in semen. Why couldn't Jesus just donate that instead?