Another idiot who thinks that he has mastered Evolution enough to disprove it.
Reminds me of one debate where this moron asked Richard Dawkins how the animals in the initial stages of evolution used to shit when clearly they had no provisions for waste excretion.

(April 9, 2012 at 10:01 pm)elunico13 Wrote:

(April 9, 2012 at 9:58 pm)Aegrus Wrote:

(April 9, 2012 at 9:43 pm)elunico13 Wrote: I do apologize for wasting my time. Thanks for posting. Are laws of logic universal, immaterial and unchanging? So is the God of scripture. Without him they do not exist. W/o the God of the bible how do you account for them???

Laws of logic sharing qualities with your imagined god does not make your god exist. That's like saying "My pet fish has scales and never talks. My imaginary friend has scales and never talks. Therefore my imaginary friend is as real as my fish."

Laws of logic require no god. They are not things. They are human constructs.

Let me ask you this, though- how do you account for the god of the bible?

If they are human constructs than did laws of logic not exist before humans existed?

I should have been clearer. I meant that the meaning we assign them is a human construct. The word "Laws" implies just that- that they are laws created by someone or something with intention or purpose, but in reality, they are just an expression of cause and effect. Logic would work logically with or without us, but you're trying to give them meaning that they don't have.

(April 9, 2012 at 10:13 pm)Aegrus Wrote:

(April 9, 2012 at 10:01 pm)elunico13 Wrote:

(April 9, 2012 at 9:58 pm)Aegrus Wrote:

(April 9, 2012 at 9:43 pm)elunico13 Wrote: I do apologize for wasting my time. Thanks for posting. Are laws of logic universal, immaterial and unchanging? So is the God of scripture. Without him they do not exist. W/o the God of the bible how do you account for them???

Laws of logic sharing qualities with your imagined god does not make your god exist. That's like saying "My pet fish has scales and never talks. My imaginary friend has scales and never talks. Therefore my imaginary friend is as real as my fish."

Laws of logic require no god. They are not things. They are human constructs.

Let me ask you this, though- how do you account for the god of the bible?

If they are human constructs than did laws of logic not exist before humans existed?

I should have been clearer. I meant that the meaning we assign them is a human construct. The word "Laws" implies just that- that they are laws created by someone or something with intention or purpose, but in reality, they are just an expression of cause and effect. Logic would work logically with or without us, but you're trying to give them meaning that they don't have.

I do agree with you that logic works with or without us.

You say "Laws of logic have no meaning" Did you use logic to come up with that answer? If logic has no meaning than your response doesn't either. Sounds like a contradictory statement. Wanna try again?

elunico13 Wrote:Are laws of logic universal, immaterial and unchanging? So is the God of scripture.

So many assumptions...

1) Which god of scripture? From the Torah, NT, Quran or Odyssey + Iliad?

Quote:Without him they do not exist.

2) Reverse engineering except you have yet to prove this god! Again, which god?!

(April 9, 2012 at 10:28 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:

elunico13 Wrote:Are laws of logic universal, immaterial and unchanging? So is the God of scripture.

So many assumptions...

1) Which god of scripture? From the Torah, NT, Quran or Odyssey + Iliad?

Quote:Without him they do not exist.

2) Reverse engineering except you have yet to prove this god! Again, which god?!

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(April 9, 2012 at 10:22 pm)elunico13 Wrote: I do agree with you that logic works with or without us.

You say "Laws of logic have no meaning" Did you use logic to come up with that answer? If logic has no meaning than your response doesn't either. Sounds like a contradictory statement. Wanna try again?

I never said that laws of logic have no meaning. I said that you're trying to assign them meaning that they don't have- you should really try to avoid making up fake quotes.

There is a key difference between the two.

So logic comes from God you say? What about morality?

Euthyphro Dilemma! Let's go: is something good because god commands it, or does god command something because it is good?

I wrote a philosophy paper on why something can't be good because god commands it. If you're interested I'll share it with you. Only 1000 words.

(April 9, 2012 at 10:37 pm)Aegrus Wrote:

(April 9, 2012 at 10:22 pm)elunico13 Wrote: I do agree with you that logic works with or without us.

You say "Laws of logic have no meaning" Did you use logic to come up with that answer? If logic has no meaning than your response doesn't either. Sounds like a contradictory statement. Wanna try again?

I never said that laws of logic have no meaning. I said that you're trying to assign them meaning that they don't have- you should really try to avoid making up fake quotes.

There is a key difference between the two.

But you're contradicting yourself by saying logic is cause and effect. So does the meaning you give logic correct???

(April 9, 2012 at 10:42 pm)elunico13 Wrote:

(April 9, 2012 at 10:37 pm)Aegrus Wrote:

(April 9, 2012 at 10:22 pm)elunico13 Wrote: I do agree with you that logic works with or without us.

You say "Laws of logic have no meaning" Did you use logic to come up with that answer? If logic has no meaning than your response doesn't either. Sounds like a contradictory statement. Wanna try again?

I never said that laws of logic have no meaning. I said that you're trying to assign them meaning that they don't have- you should really try to avoid making up fake quotes.

There is a key difference between the two.

But you're contradicting yourself by saying logic is cause and effect. So does the meaning you give logic correct???

"So does the meaning you give logic correct" makes no sense as a sentence. Edit and rephrase it, or I have no idea how to answer it.

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