Evolution and natural selection ARE the gods of this world!

[Yoplait]

i said this in an earlier post and people called me dumb, but i stand by what i said cause look at this.

evolution is the designer, it's goal is to create the strongest organism it can. natural selection works in hand and weeds out the weak organisms...the slowest deer die, the people with depression kill themselves, and stupid people die doing stupid things.

and i been in the psych system and its complete bs cus they just give condescending advice and take ur money, but in the end they are getting in the way of natural selection, sure they can keep people patched together with meds, but in the end its only passing on bad genes. but hey why not, they didn't become an 88 billion industry by helping people. thats why with my mental illness i wont have kids, also cus girls dont like me cus their instincts can see my symptoms and that im not a good mate, but im also too scared to end it all but just trying to enjoy what i can in life and we will all be dead before we know it cus theres only 36,500 days in 100 years and time never stops.

so really if u think about it, atheism is more impressive than christianity - christianity says god made us and has a plan for us, but we can't see him and he can't help us because of free will, but you should believe because people tell you to.

atheism is miracles in action, u can look back and see the process of evolution and the fact that we are even alive and out of all the sperm cells the fact that we even made it and are a part of all this is cooler than anything in the bible and people don't realize that cus they think "oh life isn't impressive there are over 7 billion peopel on earth" but on a larger scale its pretty cool if u think about it. also when u think there isn't a god looking out for you, you are more thankful for all the good things you do have in life considering how many people have such horrible luck being paralyzed/starving/etc.

[Chad32]

Evolution doesn't have an end goal. Natural selection does often weed out things that don't work in an area, but some things that work well in a certain area would be poor in others.

As far as it being a god, I suppose that would fall under pantheism or possibly paganism. So what?

[Yoplait]

Evolution doesn't have an end goal. Natural selection does often weed out things that don't work in an area, but some things that work well in a certain area would be poor in others.

As far as it being a god, I suppose that would fall under pantheism or possibly paganism. So what?

ya evolution doesn't have an end goal per se, it just wan'ts to keep creating a better and better organism. what is an example of something working in one area and not in another? are you thinking like fish under water vs mammals on land? maybe through mutation some day mammals will be able to breathe underwater too.

i wasn't saying they are literally gods, just speaking metaphorically.

also btw if u think about it nothing is unnatural cus nature encompasses everything in existence and we are all part of nature...i hate how people who like underage girls get such a bad reputation, guys have been attracted to underage girls since the dawn of man, and they will be around years in the future too - and you would be surprised how many people working in law enforcement will lock up a man and take his child porn, then go home and jerk off to it, and then when they get caught they too get the finger of shame. i do feel like rape is bad, (not unnatural cus animals rape each other all the time) but we shouldn't do it because our minds have developed empathy and we have social order to not hurt each other...so raping kids is bad, but having sex with consenting underaged people should not be illegal. btw im just speaking hypothetically imn not attracted to younger people i just get upset when i see peopel go to jail for having sex with a underaged person who knew what sex was and was like 1 year underage and was willing.

[Chad32]

I'm thinking like fish losing their eyes because they spend all their time in caves. Or Darwin's finch's beaks. Stuff like that.

You were sayinf these are the gods of this world. I'm wondering what you were getting at. If they were, so what?

[comet]

i said this in an earlier post and people called me dumb, but i stand by what i said cause look at this.

evolution is the designer, it's goal is to create the strongest organism it can. natural selection works in hand and weeds out the weak organisms...the slowest deer die, the people with depression kill themselves, and stupid people die doing stupid things.

and i been in the psych system and its complete bs cus they just give condescending advice and take ur money, but in the end they are getting in the way of natural selection, sure they can keep people patched together with meds, but in the end its only passing on bad genes. but hey why not, they didn't become an 88 billion industry by helping people. thats why with my mental illness i wont have kids, also cus girls dont like me cus their instincts can see my symptoms and that im not a good mate, but im also too scared to end it all but just trying to enjoy what i can in life and we will all be dead before we know it cus theres only 36,500 days in 100 years and time never stops.

so really if u think about it, atheism is more impressive than christianity - christianity says god made us and has a plan for us, but we can't see him and he can't help us because of free will, but you should believe because people tell you to.

atheism is miracles in action, u can look back and see the process of evolution and the fact that we are even alive and out of all the sperm cells the fact that we even made it and are a part of all this is cooler than anything in the bible and people don't realize that cus they think "oh life isn't impressive there are over 7 billion peopel on earth" but on a larger scale its pretty cool if u think about it. also when u think there isn't a god looking out for you, you are more thankful for all the good things you do have in life considering how many people have such horrible luck being paralyzed/starving/etc.

The atheist delusion:

evolution does not prove god or no god.
It does not show if god is not needed or needed yet.
The bible does not say how god made man.  It only said it did make man.
evolution does not mean "death", it means "growth".
evolution is not anti-bible.
 
 
all evolution shows is how man was assembled from the dust of the earth.  And for two thousand years ago it was a good guess to even see that we came from smaller pieces that were assembled into a larger thing.  

Evolution is how god did it.  Of course that is a logical look.  
For emotional needs make up any bullshit you need to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  

~gateKeeper

[Tonus]

evolution is the designer, it's goal is to create the strongest organism it can. natural selection works in hand and weeds out the weak organisms...the slowest deer die, the people with depression kill themselves, and stupid people die doing stupid things.

If we anthropomorphize evolution to "have a goal" then that goal would be better described as creating the organism best able to survive and reproduce in its particular environment. "Fittest" is therefore a more accurate descriptor than "strongest." Because the earth itself changes over time, the environment 'evolves' to benefit different life forms, and only those whose evolutionary adaptations provide an advantage will survive. The rest, regardless of how strong they are or how fit they were for the old environment, will likely die off.

The gods of this world are whatever we choose them to be on both an individual and societal level. And as a society and as individuals, we are polytheistic in the extreme. We idolize ourselves, our country, our neighborhood, our friends, our jobs, our athletes, our sports teams, our politicians, our writers and artists and actors and musicians and, occasionally, the mythical creatures we created for no other reason than to have something to idolize when those other gods were in short supply.

[Chad32]

I see you added a it to your original post after I first saw it. Ok.

So you're trying to make an argument that atheism needs more faith than christianity (or any other religion) does? But all atheism is, is saying they don't believe in something without clear evidence. People have been killing each other over what god to believe in, and how to worship it, for thousands of years, and you think we're the odd ones because we don't have a dog in that fight.

We see what happens all around us in the world, and decide we don't need to add an extra step to fill in the gaps of what we don't currently know. The more we learn, the more we find out that things we once thought came from gods actually have natural origins. Lightning is a good example of that. Saying that god did it isn't an answer to any question. It's a dodge by people who insist that they want an answer now, instead of waiting for concrete evidence.

[Alex K]

No, it doesn't want anything either. I think the distinction is important because formulating any such "will" of evolution will usually be to simple and not work as a general explanation. For example, in sexual selection there are adaptations which reduce the fitness in the sense of strength and ability to escape predators, and only bring an advantage when it comes to mating preference. Any explanation like "evolution wants stronger, better" etc. is not subtle enough.

[Jenny A]

i said this in an earlier post and people called me dumb, but i stand by what i said cause look at this.

evolution is the designer, it's goal is to create the strongest organism it can. natural selection works in hand and weeds out the weak organisms...the slowest deer die, the people with depression kill themselves, and stupid people die doing stupid things.

and i been in the psych system and its complete bs cus they just give condescending advice and take ur money, but in the end they are getting in the way of natural selection, sure they can keep people patched together with meds, but in the end its only passing on bad genes. but hey why not, they didn't become an 88 billion industry by helping people. thats why with my mental illness i wont have kids, also cus girls dont like me cus their instincts can see my symptoms and that im not a good mate, but im also too scared to end it all but just trying to enjoy what i can in life and we will all be dead before we know it cus theres only 36,500 days in 100 years and time never stops.

so really if u think about it, atheism is more impressive than christianity - christianity says god made us and has a plan for us, but we can't see him and he can't help us because of free will, but you should believe because people tell you to.

atheism is miracles in action, u can look back and see the process of evolution and the fact that we are even alive and out of all the sperm cells the fact that we even made it and are a part of all this is cooler than anything in the bible and people don't realize that cus they think "oh life isn't impressive there are over 7 billion peopel on earth" but on a larger scale its pretty cool if u think about it. also when u think there isn't a god looking out for you, you are more thankful for all the good things you do have in life considering how many people have such horrible luck being paralyzed/starving/etc.

Is this a thread about the mental healthcare system (which could indeed use for overhauling, but please not during a Repulican administration as what they would be by reform is removing all public money) or evolution, Christianity or atheism?  The thing is it is quite possible to love the current mental health system and not believe in evolution and be an atheist.

I agree that you can be antheist who is amazed and awed by nature, and that you can feel lucky to be alive without a god watching your back.  I do have a good life, and I am grateful for it, but it's less miraculous than it is like winning the lottery.

[Jenny A]

The atheist delusion:

evolution does not prove god or no god.

So far so good.

It does not show if god is not needed or needed yet.

What do you mean yet?  And needed for what?

The bible does not say how god made man.  It only said it did make man.

Out of dust or mud yes?  Because that's not exactly how the models for abiogenisis work.  

evolution does not mean "death", it means "growth".

Evolution doesn't mean anything.  It's a description of what does happen and an explanation of how it happens.  Both growth and death are described.

evolution is not anti-bible.

The Bible is wholly irrelevant to evolution.  Whether evolution contradicts the Bible depends on how the book is interpreted.  But evolution does not square with a literal reading of Genesis.  Man was not made out of dust in a day.

all evolution shows is how man was assembled from the dust of the earth.  And for two thousand years ago it was a good guess to even see that we came from smaller pieces that were assembled into a larger thing.  

The theory of evolution says nothing about how life began, it only addresses how life changes.  And two thousand years ago modern man had been around for roughly 200,000 years.

Evolution is how god did it.  Of course that is a logical look.  

Until you explain where this god entity comes in or how we know there is one, let alone that it made things, there's nothing logical about that statement.