(April 13, 2012 at 4:04 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: With regards to Scottish Independence, who are the English really to have anything other than an opinion?

I don't know how you can say that when it is the English who are directly involved with Scottish independence.

(April 13, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I don't know how you can say that when it is the English who are directly involved with Scottish independence.

I said you can have the opinion. But rights over the independence of the Scots? None so far, and with the scots being careful to approach through purely peaceful means, almost eliminates the "preserve the Union through violence" approach.

Can you truly integrate a people who do not want to be integrated, who consider themselves seperate? Probably not, so if it turns out the the Scottish majority is like that, then keeping within the United Kingdom is a disservice to both the UK and the Scots, as neither will work with each other like countrymen.

(April 13, 2012 at 6:16 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: I said you can have the opinion. But rights over the independence of the Scots? None so far, and with the scots being careful to approach through purely peaceful means, almost eliminates the "preserve the Union through violence" approach.

Can you truly integrate a people who do not want to be integrated, who consider themselves seperate? Probably not, so if it turns out the the Scottish majority is like that, then keeping within the United Kingdom is a disservice to both the UK and the Scots, as neither will work with each other like countrymen.

I agree with you there.

Problem is they can't make up their bloody minds. Half of them want to stay with Britain and a few others are screaming for FREEEDOOOMM.

All I really wish for is that if they are to stay with GB, then they do so in an equal manner. Like I said, English taxes pay for a free ride for a lot of Scotlands 'independent' financial expenditure.

They really should break away when it's much, much more lopsided towards freedom.

Doing it at 50% is just asking for trouble.

(April 13, 2012 at 6:16 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: I said you can have the opinion. But rights over the independence of the Scots? .

Come on, you know that is false. Might + interest = right. If england has the might to prevent scottish independence, and the interest to do so, it acquires by default the only right that matters.

What gave scottish independence any semblence of right could only be the lack of English interest or might to prevent it at aceeptable cost.

(April 13, 2012 at 6:16 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:

(April 13, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I don't know how you can say that when it is the English who are directly involved with Scottish independence.

I said you can have the opinion. But rights over the independence of the Scots? None so far, and with the scots being careful to approach through purely peaceful means, almost eliminates the "preserve the Union through violence" approach.

Can you truly integrate a people who do not want to be integrated, who consider themselves seperate? Probably not, so if it turns out the the Scottish majority is like that, then keeping within the United Kingdom is a disservice to both the UK and the Scots, as neither will work with each other like countrymen.

Integration is one thing-I think that the Scotsman are well integrated into *British* society. Assimilation is another. The Scottish people, along with the Irishmen...They already have a strong national identity, too strong to be absorbed into the British identity as whole as some of the other, historical inhabitants of Britain have assimilated into the *English* identity.

(April 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Integration is one thing-I think that the Scotsman are well integrated into *British* society. Assimilation is another. The Scottish people, along with the Irishmen...They already have a strong national identity, too strong to be absorbed into the British identity as whole as some of the other, historical inhabitants of Britain have assimilated into the *English* identity.

Tbh Mehmet I think you're going on at something you haven't got a clue about.

The Scots, even the Welsh have as strong a national identity as the Irish. Maybe stick to having an opinion on your own parts of the world, I don't think you have a full understanding of what it's like around here.

(April 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm)Napoleon Wrote:

(April 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Integration is one thing-I think that the Scotsman are well integrated into *British* society. Assimilation is another. The Scottish people, along with the Irishmen...They already have a strong national identity, too strong to be absorbed into the British identity as whole as some of the other, historical inhabitants of Britain have assimilated into the *English* identity.

Tbh Mehmet I think you're going on at something you haven't got a clue about.

The Scots, even the Welsh have as strong a national identity as the Irish. Maybe stick to having an opinion on your own parts of the world, I don't think you have a full understanding of what it's like around here.

Can you read? I think I said nothing different from what you wrote down just now.

(April 14, 2012 at 3:02 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Can you read?

Lol clearly not, I apologise. Fucking all over the place today I am

I thought you said the Irish had more of a sense of national identity than the Scottish. I must be imagining things.

(April 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(April 13, 2012 at 6:16 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:

(April 13, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I don't know how you can say that when it is the English who are directly involved with Scottish independence.

I said you can have the opinion. But rights over the independence of the Scots? None so far, and with the scots being careful to approach through purely peaceful means, almost eliminates the "preserve the Union through violence" approach.

Can you truly integrate a people who do not want to be integrated, who consider themselves seperate? Probably not, so if it turns out the the Scottish majority is like that, then keeping within the United Kingdom is a disservice to both the UK and the Scots, as neither will work with each other like countrymen.

Integration is one thing-I think that the Scotsman are well integrated into *British* society. Assimilation is another. The Scottish people, along with the Irishmen...They already have a strong national identity, too strong to be absorbed into the British identity as whole as some of the other, historical inhabitants of Britain have assimilated into the *English* identity.

I lol'd at Naps post, wondered if he was mad or just in misread mode, thankfully the latter.

Excellent post Mehmet, 100% accurate.