(August 21, 2009 at 4:53 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Want testable and reliable evidence, that satisfies the rigourous standards of the scientific method?

Any evidence that's valid. If somehow it can be shown that there is evidence for God without it being done by the scientific method, fine. So far the scientific method has been the way. But however it is done, so long as it's valid evidence, fine.

So evidence please. I never said specifically scientific (that just seems to be the way up untill now).

EvF

Frodo, are you serious?? Please.....

What have you or them proven other than you can look up definitions and still grasp blind faith like a child to a blanky.

I've only heard assumptions of faith from John, yourself, and Arcanus.....(And many more)

Neither one of them nor myself can prove or disprove that there is or has ever been a "God". I rely on evidence presented and observations to guide my conclusions.....And even then still question.

That's the big difference between you/them and myself.....You believe you have found the right conclusion and have no reason to deter from it. I question your evidence presented on many levels, but still only receive the same tired replies back. Nothing more than ribbon bow tied responses that still come down to a goddidit scenario.

The evidence presented thus far has not proven that of a higher power, and especially that such higher power would some how be the Christians version in comparison to every other faith based belief in existence today and past.

(August 21, 2009 at 5:05 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(August 21, 2009 at 4:53 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Want testable and reliable evidence, that satisfies the rigourous standards of the scientific method?

Any evidence that's valid. If somehow it can be shown that there is evidence for God without it being done by the scientific method, fine. So far the scientific method has been the way. But however it is done, so long as it's valid evidence, fine.

So evidence please. I never said specifically scientific (that just seems to be the way up untill now).

EvF

Well logical evidence has been shown to you. You haven't rebutted it, so I assume you accept it?

You betray your marginal views.

No I don't accept or rebutt the evidence because I don't believe it exists. You say it does. You say evidence has been presented to me. You...say it. That doesn't make it so.

So I disagree, what evidence?

EvF

(August 21, 2009 at 5:10 pm)Samson Wrote: Frodo, are you serious?? Please.....

What have you or them proven other than you can look up definitions and still grasp blind faith like a child to a blanky.

I've only heard assumptions of faith from John, yourself, and Arcanus.....(And many more)

Neither one of them nor myself can prove or disprove that there is or has ever been a "God". I rely on evidence presented and observations to guide my conclusions.....And even then still question.

That's the big difference between you/them and myself.....You believe you have found the right conclusion and have no reason to deter from it. I question your evidence presented on many levels, but still only receive the same tired replies back. Nothing more than ribbon bow tied responses that still come down to a goddidit scenario.

The evidence presented thus far has not proven that of a higher power, and especially that such higher power would some how be the Christians version in comparison to every other faith based belief in existence today and past.

Our logic is sound. You cannot rebut it. Faith is based upon this logic, it is not in any way 'blind'. To prove that you would have to rebut the logic.

The evidence in your face is consistent logic, so you have no reason to conclude anything contrary. Yet you do. Which is my point.. you cling to marginalist philosophy that can't be logically defended to support your worldview.

Faith is blind by definition because it is without evidence: Evidence is required to rationally believe in something, faith is without evidence, so that's irrational, it is unguided, it's just 'having faith', it's blind. It lacks evidence.

So please...some evidence would be nice

EvF

Obviously your logic is flawed Evie.

Your logic is a joke and has not evidence other than opinions and feel good stories......
The evidence in my face, is assumptions and opinionated fairy tales passed down from generations before. So please tell me how logical that is to put "faith" in something in which you have no concrete evidence for? You and your herds have done this, and that is blind faith. I don't care how you ribbon tie it.

But hey, if it makes you sleep better at night, then that's all that really matters in the end. As far as any life philosophy that I have, I at least can test them and get a reaction for any outcome I am looking for. That's a whole hell of a lot more than I say about your goddidit and zombie man is coming back some day philosophy of opinions.

You repeat the same old guff Samson. Be a man and go face the reaper.

(August 21, 2009 at 5:33 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Obviously your logic is flawed Evie.

I could say the same to you. Baseless assertions do no good.

I see no evidence, that is all.

Besides you yourself have said many a time that there can be no evidence for God and it's a matter of faith (that can be 'reasoned'), so I would think u'd agree with me on the matter of lack of evidence, no?

EvF