(May 14, 2012 at 5:50 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(May 14, 2012 at 5:38 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Our legitimacy as a people makes us superior to the certain likes of you, probably an illegitimate offspring of various others...

Your "people"'s idiotic attempt to assert equality, much less superiority, was, as the british might say, "snapped as tight shut as a snuff box" by your superiors in 1919.

"Our superiors"? Who do you mean?

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(May 14, 2012 at 5:52 pm)Tobie Wrote:

(May 14, 2012 at 5:50 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Society is already insular and prejudiced. We are people who have accepted this fact. Therefore we want to keep to ourselves, and work towards our own national goals. No one has helped us so far for free. But we helped many others without asking anything in return.

Serving another "race"...Have you ever read "The Day Lasts More Than a Hundred Years" by Chingis Aitmatov?
If you read it, you would be able to understand me better.

I do not serve a race. I have no wish to serve a race. The only thing I wish to serve is humanity as a whole, and that is what I want to contribute to.

You can serve humanity by starting with your own people.

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Quote:» Maddileşmiş bir insan vatan için ölür mü? Bencil bir insan muhtaçlara yardım eder mi? Milletine inanmayan bir adam yabancı ile işbirliği yapmaz mı? Erdemi gülünç bulan birisi çalıp çırpmaz mı?

Translation:

Quote:Would a materialized man die for his country? Would a selfish person help the needy? Wouldn't a man who does not believe in his nation cooperate with the foreigner? Wouldn't a man who finds virtue laughable steal?

This is the way of our world, people.

(May 14, 2012 at 5:54 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: "Our superiors"? Who do you mean?

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Must we itemize? Does it really help your ego to know everything in the primate family tree above the baboon is firmly on the list?

(May 14, 2012 at 6:04 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(May 14, 2012 at 5:54 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: "Our superiors"? Who do you mean?

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Must we itemize? Does it really help your ego to know everything in the primate family tree above the baboon is firmly on the list?

Your words are like farts. They pollute the air for a few minutes and vanish.
I am not going to sink below to your level, though. Blow your wind as cold as you can.

(May 14, 2012 at 5:38 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: If you accept a thing like "no race is better than the other", what really keeps you from entering the service of another one?
You must love your people above all others, and you must try to elevate it to a higher position than the others. Only through this way you can guarantee a prosperous future for your people.

While it is natural to love those closest to you most, as Americans we do not value ourselves as a people more than others. It's in our charter, "All men are created equal." We value the freedoms and liberty our nation affords us and desire those for all peoples. These values are what we strive to perfect and to preserve. We align ourselves with nations that share these values.

(May 14, 2012 at 5:19 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, good for you. You can die without having any significant footprints in this world. But my blood dictates me that I ought to be of service to my people. I would feel empty without it. There is no shame in admitting that.
You are nothing. Meaning, a meaning you have not. A purpose, a purpose you have not. A self-centered purpose is not a purpose at all. For your investment is in vain.

If I was nothing, you'd be a negative. A man's ego and his mind is the source of his meaning and his purpose. Those who don't depend on their ego are second-handers - parasites feeding of the purpose and mind of others. You don't have a rational cause to live by or to die by. Living and dying irrationally is a pathetic fate, but one that you chose for yourself when you chose to abdicate your ego. The very existence of your life's meaning and purpose is borrowed and you think that's not even a cause for shame? A rational man would rather die than exist as you do. But then, rationality is not something you can be accused of.

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(May 14, 2012 at 5:26 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Do you really think I put much value to your empty words, such as "bigot" and etc. Like it or not, we are Turks. Our purpose is to serve our kin, to elevate ourselves above the others.
Anything else is not acceptable.

The worm climbs the carcass and thinks himself taller than men.

(May 14, 2012 at 6:11 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: While it is natural to love those closest to you most, as Americans we do not value ourselves as a people more than others. It's in our charter, "All men are created equal." We value the freedoms and liberty our nation affords us and desire those for all peoples. These values are what we strive to perfect and to preserve. We align ourselves with nations that share these values.

You sound like you've swallow our self-serving bullshit almost as thoroughly as the turk swallowed his.

(May 14, 2012 at 6:11 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(May 14, 2012 at 5:38 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: If you accept a thing like "no race is better than the other", what really keeps you from entering the service of another one?
You must love your people above all others, and you must try to elevate it to a higher position than the others. Only through this way you can guarantee a prosperous future for your people.

While it is natural to love those closest to you most, as Americans we do not value ourselves as a people more than others. It's in our charter, "All men are created equal." We value the freedoms and liberty our nation affords us and desire those for all peoples. These values are what we strive to perfect and to preserve. We align ourselves with nations that share these values.

If all men are created equal, why are you not suffering of the same diseases as the children in congo?
Why do you not feel the lash of poverty of those in Somalia?
No, not everyone is created equal. Not every animal is equal. Similarly, not every man is the equal of another. In front of laws, sure. It's just a piece of paper, friend.
Do you think that my life has equal value to yours within the international scene? If I and you were kidnapped at the same time, by the same organisation but hid in different places, would the world try to save you, or me?
I can tell you this, they would certainly left me to die.
Equality is a nice word. It sounds fine, but no. No one is equal unless one tries to archive this equality on his own. After that, he must try to elevate himself above others, so that he will never be the inferior of anyone else.

(May 14, 2012 at 6:29 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: If all men are created equal, why are you not suffering of the same diseases as the children in congo?
Why do you not feel the lash of poverty of those in Somalia?

Because its created "equal", not "identical".

(May 14, 2012 at 6:29 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: No, not everyone is created equal. Not every animal is equal. Similarly, not every man is the equal of another. In front of laws, sure. It's just a piece of paper, friend.
Do you think that my life has equal value to yours within the international scene? If I and you were kidnapped at the same time, by the same organisation but hid in different places, would the world try to save you, or me?
I can tell you this, they would certainly left me to die.

It seems established then. You are inferior.

Quote:If I was nothing, you'd be a negative. A man's ego and his mind is the source of his meaning and his purpose. Those who don't depend on their ego are second-handers - parasites feeding of the purpose and mind of others. You don't have a rational cause to live by or to die by. Living and dying irrationally is a pathetic fate, but one that you chose for yourself when you chose to abdicate your ego. The very existence of your life's meaning and purpose is borrowed and you think that's not even a cause for shame? A rational man would rather die than exist as you do. But then, rationality is not something you can be accused of.

My ego serves only two purposes. One is to direct my wrath, and the second is to preserve my individual pride. Anything else is beyond my ego.
Indeed, rationality seems rather one sided to your blind eyes. From what I understand, you lack any kind of ideals, adhere to any principles aside from those who you have created in your mind.
I am flesh given purpose.

Quote:The worm climbs the carcass and thinks himself taller than men.

I'm much taller than you, obviously.
In both measurements.

Why is every thread the same lately? Every single thread seems to end up as an argument with Mehmet about his bigotry and fascist opinions.

I am so sick of it... I'm putting the fucker on ignore.