(May 17, 2012 at 7:14 am)Mosrhun Wrote:

(May 17, 2012 at 7:08 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Do you dislike people, or do the people dislike you?
Which one?

Without sounding vain, I seem to have the ability to persuade almost anyone into liking me. I don't know how it happens, it just does. I will pretend to enjoy the company of most, but wouldn't even care if they ceased to exist. As I've said before, I have somewhat sociopathic tendencies in that respect. I honestly couldn't say that I would even cry if my mother died. It's not that I don't love her, it's just I don't really feel emotion too well.

Well, crying is something different though, it depends on your current mood.
I've cried after 2 years had passed over my grandmother's death, while listening to a particularly depressing song. I was also intoxicated by alcohol. I had lost control.
If you are able to repress your emotions, how great for you, friend. I wish I were as you.
Such cold individuals are needed to spearhead every movement.

(May 17, 2012 at 6:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Have you "earned" your right to a body to live in?
Obviously, you only had to be born, and that was not by your merit either. It was by the merit of your parents, and especially your mother who gave birth to you, and carried you in her belly for nine months. You practically gained life without doing anything. Without them, you would not even be here. So, whatever you've "earned" in this life are not due to you, but first and foremost, due to them. If they did not feed you, you'd starve. If they did not sent you to school, you'd be illiterate.
By your words, nothing in this world is "yours", actually, not your life, your home, family and etc.
Your way of thinking is very faulty.

Truly, you are a disgusting wretch.

The actions of my parents were to their own ends and purposes. That their choice to create a conscious being would give them any dominion over the life of that conscious being is a dogma worthy of the evil tyrant Yahweh. My parents may have started this body, but its my consciousness that moves it, that directs its actions and that sustains it. Whatever expectations and demands they had ceased to apply when I became a self-sustaining entity. Ironically, that was the the expectation my parents had of me.

(May 17, 2012 at 6:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: It's cause is rational. Being helpful to my people increases our chances to survival and brings us one step closer to prosperity.

That is the statement that you haven't given a rational cause for.

(May 17, 2012 at 6:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I mean your parents, family, your own people.

They earn my regard according to the contributions they make towards my current and intended identity.

(May 17, 2012 at 6:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: "Morally"? What does this supposed to mean? It is mine. Rightfully mine. If my ancestors would not want anything to belong to the next generations, they would have razed it to the ground, or spent it wildly so that nothing remained for the future generations to look back.
If you think that inheritance is morally wrong, you're a wacko. Humanity advanced due to the accumulation of wealth and knowledge.
You on the other hand disregard the past, while not thinking of the future either, for you shun inheritance.
If all mankind were as you, we would not have survived another century.

Once again, you display the depth of your depravity by claiming your inheritance to be "rightfully" yours. Inheritance, by itself, is not morally wrong. Inheritance without merit, without the inheritor's worth with respect to it, is. Inheritance, like all other things, can be and should be earned - not squandered irrationally by the accident of genetics.

(May 17, 2012 at 6:53 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: There is no difference in our world between the master and the teacher. Your teacher is your master. Once you've learned what you need to, you become a master, and teach others.

What he asks for his teachings is nothing, really. Most are now resting underground, having fulfilled their life's purposes. I bear the utmost respect for them, and follow their guidelines. If I did not follow their teachings, I'd not be on this path, I'd be on another. I can only do as much as to improve their teachings, if I can.

Unfortunately, that is the society you live in. Fortunately, it is not mine. My teacher is not my master. He is another trader who, in exchange for the knowledge given to me, expects quite a lot in return, such as money, gratitude, respect. He does not, however, lay any claim on the knowledge once its imparted, nor does he tell me what to do with it.

Quote:Truly, you are a disgusting wretch.

Oh, getting emotional, are we?
Now that I got you by the balls, what are you going to do?

Quote:The actions of my parents were to their own ends and purposes.

I sincerely believe that you're nothing but a liar, you constantly lie to me, and to yourself.

Quote:That their choice to create a conscious being would give them any dominion over the life of that conscious being is a dogma worthy of the evil tyrant Yahweh. My parents may have started this body, but its my consciousness that moves it, that directs its actions and that sustains it. Whatever expectations and demands they had ceased to apply when I became a self-sustaining entity. Ironically, that was the the expectation my parents had of me.

But it does, doesn't it? You speak their language, you live out their culture, you live in the same country they do.
Your consciousness is what is shaped by your nation, friend. You obviously are a fool if you cannot understand this. You are not a unique snowflake. Stop pretending that the world revolves around you.

Quote:That is the statement that you haven't given a rational cause for.

But I've already given you my cause. Whether you find it rational or not, it's not going to deter me from my path. After all, you're a liar. Even if you find it rational or not, you're simply going to state otherwise until I accept. You cannot dominate me, friend. You cannot even dominate yourself.

Quote:They earn my regard according to the contributions they make towards my current and intended identity.

Why should they do that, really? You said that you only define yourself by the contributions you do to yourself. In that context, they should be nothing more than tools for you to use and discard. They should not have earned your regard at all, selfish one.

Quote:Once again, you display the depth of your depravity by claiming your inheritance to be "rightfully" yours. Inheritance, by itself, is not morally wrong. Inheritance without merit, without the inheritor's worth with respect to it, is. Inheritance, like all other things, can be and should be earned - not squandered irrationally by the accident of genetics.

But you just said that inheritance is taking something that isn't yours. Taking something that isn't yours is stealing, and we know that stealing is wrong and immoral. The fact that you inherit something, means that you inherit the merit to it. That merit is passed down by generations. The merit we need is simply in our blood, friend. We need not to look any further for some merit. Earned it is by our blood bonds. If we all had to earn things the way you state it, you need to earn your right to be born in the first place. That right belongs to your ancestor. In return, you retain the rights to inherit his merit to be a continuation of them. In all means, you are nothing but their continued existence.
If so, why do nations inherit the debts of their forefathers? They have done nothing to be worthy of punishment, yet they suffer for it. You are born into the world, with all the merits, liabilities and inheritance of your ancestors!
This is the rule and order of the world. You simply speak of nonsense, you babble hin und her.

Quote:Unfortunately, that is the society you live in. Fortunately, it is not mine. My teacher is not my master. He is another trader who, in exchange for the knowledge given to me, expects quite a lot in return, such as money, gratitude, respect. He does not, however, lay any claim on the knowledge once its imparted, nor does he tell me what to do with it.

Well, this is why you can go no further beyond the current materialistic form of thinking you have. This is why I hold you as an equal with an animal of similar worth.
My master is my own kin. This makes me my own "master". The other contexts in which I use this word, I also reply with loyalty, under the context of respect. For respect cannot exist without loyalty. I don't think that you respect anyone. Not even yourself.

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Merit is also found in ending a pointless conversation. I choose not to speak any further to anyone who is miserable.
Let the miserable drown in their misery, let the brave bask in glory and victory.
I have not damned anything and anyone besides me like this person above.

(May 17, 2012 at 7:35 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Oh, getting emotional, are we?
Now that I got you by the balls, what are you going to do?

Nah, just stating a fact. By the way, your delusions are amusing.

(May 17, 2012 at 7:35 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I sincerely believe that you're nothing but a liar, you constantly lie to me, and to yourself.

As we have established, your beliefs have no bearing on reality.

(May 17, 2012 at 7:35 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: But it does, doesn't it? You speak their language, you live out their culture, you live in the same country they do.
Your consciousness is what is shaped by your nation, friend. You obviously are a fool if you cannot understand this. You are not a unique snowflake. Stop pretending that the world revolves around you.

Ha, shows how much you know about me. I hardly, if ever, speak my parents' native language (though I have knowledge of it), I've abandoned a lot of my culture (keeping only the parts I like) and though we live in the same country, we live in wildly different societies. Further, my countries' ideals and moral goals are not my own. Obviously, you are the fool not to have realized that not everyone is in the same miserable situation as you.

(May 17, 2012 at 7:35 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: But I've already given you my cause. Whether you find it rational or not, it's not going to deter me from my path. After all, you're a liar. Even if you find it rational or not, you're simply going to state otherwise until I accept. You cannot dominate me, friend. You cannot even dominate yourself.

Dominate you? I have no desire to dominate another life, especially not one as pathetic as yours. And what cause exactly is there that you have deluded yourself into thinking that you have already given?

(May 17, 2012 at 7:35 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Why should they do that, really? You said that you only define yourself by the contributions you do to yourself. In that context, they should be nothing more than tools for you to use and discard. They should not have earned your regard at all, selfish one.

No, you moron, my self-worth is determined by my contributions to myself. My identity is also determined by me, but I accept contributions from others from which I may pick and choose the good parts. And I would not expect them to do it for nothing - I fully expect them to ask a price - something I have to be willing to give them. It is because I am selfish - because I value myself so highly - that I value those who have contributed to me.

(May 17, 2012 at 7:35 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: But you just said that inheritance is taking something that isn't yours. Taking something that isn't yours is stealing, and we know that stealing is wrong and immoral. The fact that you inherit something, means that you inherit the merit to it. That merit is passed down by generations. The merit we need is simply in our blood, friend. We need not to look any further for some merit. Earned it is by our blood bonds. If we all had to earn things the way you state it, you need to earn your right to be born in the first place. That right belongs to your ancestor. In return, you retain the rights to inherit his merit to be a continuation of them. In all means, you are nothing but their continued existence.
If so, why do nations inherit the debts of their forefathers? They have done nothing to be worthy of punishment, yet they suffer for it. You are born into the world, with all the merits, liabilities and inheritance of your ancestors!
This is the rule and order of the world. You simply speak of nonsense, you babble hin und her.

Truly, your knowledge of rights and merit is abysmal. These properties, rights and merit, belong to conscious beings. Unless you are born, you cannot have any consciousness, therefore the "right to be born" is an idiotic concept. Merit is the measure of worth of the actions of a conscious being. There is no worth without actions and therefore, no worth by the accident of birth or coincidence of blood bond. Such a concept is worse that unmerited inheritance, its unmerited worth.

The current concept of inheritance may be based on the accident of birth, but that does not mean it is moral or correct.

(May 17, 2012 at 7:35 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, this is why you can go no further beyond the current materialistic form of thinking you have. This is why I hold you as an equal with an animal of similar worth.
My master is my own kin. This makes me my own "master". The other contexts in which I use this word, I also reply with loyalty, under the context of respect. For respect cannot exist without loyalty. I don't think that you respect anyone. Not even yourself.

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I find it interesting to be accused of materialism by a spiritually blind and conceptually ignorant chauvinistic pig. He who determines your existence is your master and you his slave. By your own admission, it is your society - something separate and distinct from yourself - and therefore, you are lying when you say that you are your own master. Such a subhuman existence is worse than that of an animal. Atleast an animal knows when its being enslaved.

(May 17, 2012 at 7:35 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Merit is also found in ending a pointless conversation. I choose not to speak any further to anyone who is miserable.
Let the miserable drown in their misery, let the brave bask in glory and victory.
I have not damned anything and anyone besides me like this person above.

The subhuman creature such as you following and irrational and self-destructive ideology hasn't the mental capacity to judge what glory is. Wallow in your filth and delude yourself into thinking that you have not damned yourself.

Mehmet Wrote:Really, you know not much about our history, nor our people. We have had many great people who had contributed to arts and sciences. They are not made known to the west, however.
Besides, I've already said that we do not measure our superiority by our military history alone.
Arabs...Well, I could say that they are superior to the French, but still not superior to us Turks. Their only claims of superiority rest on the moslem religion, due to the prophet being an Arab. They certainly have forgotten rather easily how the Turks they had bought as slaves to serve as their bodyguard have ruled over them for centuries, all the while being the protectors of the religion of Islam and the holy lands.
They are greedy and lazy, unlike their semitic brothers, the Jews, who are also greedy, but hardworking.

Yet again with the sweeping generalisations and baseless remarks. I'd love to see the proof of your claims.

Historic events do not mean your race is inherently superior. You ruled over the arabs, so what? The arabs, with the help of the British, threw off the Ottoman yoke. The British have ruled over many more peoples than the turkish, yet I do not claim to be superior to you. Past glories are just that, past. You can wax lyrical all you want about past turkish successes, no one will believe that you are better than them because you have a similar background.

(May 17, 2012 at 7:14 am)Mosrhun Wrote:

(May 17, 2012 at 7:08 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Do you dislike people, or do the people dislike you?
Which one?

Without sounding vain, I seem to have the ability to persuade almost anyone into liking me. I don't know how it happens, it just does. I will pretend to enjoy the company of most, but wouldn't even care if they ceased to exist. As I've said before, I have somewhat sociopathic tendencies in that respect. I honestly couldn't say that I would even cry if my mother died. It's not that I don't love her, it's just I don't really feel emotion too well.

Seems to be like you're just incredibly meta.



And lol @ Mehmet not understanding how consciousness and personality are formed.

(May 17, 2012 at 11:57 am)Tobie Wrote:

Mehmet Wrote:Really, you know not much about our history, nor our people. We have had many great people who had contributed to arts and sciences. They are not made known to the west, however.
Besides, I've already said that we do not measure our superiority by our military history alone.
Arabs...Well, I could say that they are superior to the French, but still not superior to us Turks. Their only claims of superiority rest on the moslem religion, due to the prophet being an Arab. They certainly have forgotten rather easily how the Turks they had bought as slaves to serve as their bodyguard have ruled over them for centuries, all the while being the protectors of the religion of Islam and the holy lands.
They are greedy and lazy, unlike their semitic brothers, the Jews, who are also greedy, but hardworking.

Yet again with the sweeping generalisations and baseless remarks. I'd love to see the proof of your claims.

Historic events do not mean your race is inherently superior. You ruled over the arabs, so what? The arabs, with the help of the British, threw off the Ottoman yoke. The British have ruled over many more peoples than the turkish, yet I do not claim to be superior to you. Past glories are just that, past. You can wax lyrical all you want about past turkish successes, no one will believe that you are better than them because you have a similar background.

The arabs have essentially fucked themselves. I feel no pity for them. They have sold their soul to the devil, in return for nothing more than lies. Obviously their lack of will has driven them to ally themselves with the british to be free from our grasp. But I'm glad that we do not have to live with these folks under the same roof. The british have not ruled over more people than the Turks have. Obviously, the lordship of the British resides over people like the primitive and base folks of Africa, Australia, New Zealand and people who sell their future for a few empty promises, like the Arabs.
The only nation that they ruled over, worth mentioning is India. And we Turks were there first, and have ruled over them for even longer. They could not even rule over their own colonies for too long, what weaklings!

Past glories are of the past, you say. Should this mean that we should not look back, and try to be worthy of them?
This is our purpose. Create more and more glorious pages in the history for our future generations to look back and take pride in!

(May 17, 2012 at 5:12 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(May 17, 2012 at 11:57 am)Tobie Wrote: Yet again with the sweeping generalisations and baseless remarks. I'd love to see the proof of your claims.

Historic events do not mean your race is inherently superior. You ruled over the arabs, so what? The arabs, with the help of the British, threw off the Ottoman yoke. The British have ruled over many more peoples than the turkish, yet I do not claim to be superior to you. Past glories are just that, past. You can wax lyrical all you want about past turkish successes, no one will believe that you are better than them because you have a similar background.

The arabs have essentially fucked themselves. I feel no pity for them. They have sold their soul to the devil, in return for nothing more than lies. Obviously their lack of will has driven them to ally themselves with the british to be free from our grasp. But I'm glad that we do not have to live with these folks under the same roof. The british have not ruled over more people than the Turks have. Obviously, the lordship of the British resides over people like the primitive and base folks of Africa, Australia, New Zealand and people who sell their future for a few empty promises, like the Arabs.
The only nation that they ruled over, worth mentioning is India. And we Turks were there first, and have ruled over them for even longer. They could not even rule over their own colonies for too long, what weaklings!

Past glories are of the past, you say. Should this mean that we should not look back, and try to be worthy of them?
This is our purpose. Create more and more glorious pages in the history for our future generations to look back and take pride in!

What's the point in reveling in the past when we could be creating a better future? Still waiting on your proof of superiority, by the way.

(May 17, 2012 at 5:15 pm)Tobie Wrote:

(May 17, 2012 at 5:12 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: The arabs have essentially fucked themselves. I feel no pity for them. They have sold their soul to the devil, in return for nothing more than lies. Obviously their lack of will has driven them to ally themselves with the british to be free from our grasp. But I'm glad that we do not have to live with these folks under the same roof. The british have not ruled over more people than the Turks have. Obviously, the lordship of the British resides over people like the primitive and base folks of Africa, Australia, New Zealand and people who sell their future for a few empty promises, like the Arabs.
The only nation that they ruled over, worth mentioning is India. And we Turks were there first, and have ruled over them for even longer. They could not even rule over their own colonies for too long, what weaklings!

Past glories are of the past, you say. Should this mean that we should not look back, and try to be worthy of them?
This is our purpose. Create more and more glorious pages in the history for our future generations to look back and take pride in!

What's the point in reveling in the past when we could be creating a better future? Still waiting on your proof of superiority, by the way.

Well, any proof I'm going to provide for you here, you're going to brush aside as if I did not write anything down at all. Just know this. Starting as a basic steppe people, while taking the largest nations on earth of the time, Persia, Rome and China on our own, and managing to extend our living area from Siberia to the Balkans is simply enough. We're still there. Any attempts to thwart us from our cause, crusades, unjust conditionalities, politics and etc., all foiled and unsuccessful.

And as a final note. A man who knows not his past cannot create a future at all. For he will not really care if the future generations will look back on him, for he never knew his own past anyways. A man who knows his past, on the other hand tries to be worthy of it. This is the secret of creating a better future.
Besides, almost anything that we have today, would not be possible without the deeds of the past. You cannot brush aside the past so easily, friend.

(May 17, 2012 at 5:22 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(May 17, 2012 at 5:15 pm)Tobie Wrote: What's the point in reveling in the past when we could be creating a better future? Still waiting on your proof of superiority, by the way.

Well, any proof I'm going to provide for you here, you're going to brush aside as if I did not write anything down at all. Just know this. Starting as a basic steppe people, while taking the largest nations on earth of the time, Persia, Rome and China on our own, and managing to extend our living area from Siberia to the Balkans is simply enough. We're still there. Any attempts to thwart us from our cause, crusades, unjust conditionalities, politics and etc., all foiled and unsuccessful.

And as a final note. A man who knows not his past cannot create a future at all. For he will not really care if the future generations will look back on him, for he never knew his own past anyways. A man who knows his past, on the other hand tries to be worthy of it. This is the secret of creating a better future.
Besides, almost anything that we have today, would not be possible without the deeds of the past. You cannot brush aside the past so easily, friend.

Past military prowess does not make all turks better than everyone else. It is not you who has done these things, it is your ancestors. Sure, it may be impressive, but it is not grounds for your asserted superiority.

Your ancestors deeds have no bearing on what you may do today. For generations before me, my family were staunch catholics, yet I am an atheist.