Quote:See every law has a creator and controller. If u ask me what is NO BALL in cricket then i wil say that when the leg of bowler crosses the crease then then it is called no ball. If u then ask me who created this law and i reply no one created it. If u ask me who implements it and i say to u that no body implements it, this law is eternal, uncreated and self controlled.
Then u tell me what perception wil u get?
Consider another example. If u go the junction of roads then u wil see that when the traffic light goes red then all the cars stop. After some repeated observations u wil conclude that it is the law of traffic that red light stops the vehicle.
Now, if u deduce this law then wil this imply that there is no implementor of this law? No. We all know that the cars do not automatically stop when the traffic light goes red but there is some consciousnes which senses the red signal and some intelligence which acts accordingly. Without the intervention of consciousness the two events red signal and the stopping cars cannot be joined.
This is a common understanding which even a child has.

Similarly, uptil 16 century nobody knew why do bodies fall on the ground. It was newton who deduced the law of gravity and gave the parameters on which gravity depends. What he did? He just come to know about the law of gravity but this does not mean that there is no need of God. Who has created the law and who is implementing it? There must be someone.

Similarly, science has given many other forces governing the universe like coulumbic forces, nuclear forces, vander walls forces, magnetic forces etc. But it does not tell what is the source of force? Does it tell?

If u say that the laws of nature are eternal and uncreated then i ask u why? Wil u be able to give a proper reason? U can only say that we do not see any controller. But is this a good reason?
I cal it circular reason. There is even a scientific reason why the implementor of the universe cannot be seen, traced or mapped? We can only see, trace, map only physical things. If the controller of the universe is made of some physical thing then he alsn needs a controller and u end up in infinite regression. Furthermore, anything which is physical is also time space dependent but the implementor of the universal laws should not be space dependent because we see a single formula of gravity working in the whole universe simultaneously.
These two arguments clearly state that if any controller exists then he cannot be seen by us.

So, the only reason which u could give for denying the existence of God is also wrong.

(June 14, 2012 at 10:58 am)jain.rahul Wrote: 2. What response should I give?

(June 14, 2012 at 11:03 am)Tempus Wrote:

(June 14, 2012 at 10:58 am)jain.rahul Wrote: 2. What response should I give?

"lolwut"