(June 22, 2012 at 1:55 am)apophenia Wrote: Belief is binary? Wow. News to me. When will you be collecting your Nobel prize?

It's basic logic. It is impossible to be a member of contradictory classes at the same time. This is the law of noncontradiction.

The classes in this case are:
The belief that a god exists.
The non-belief that a god exists.

Please let me know how someone can be in a state that is neither belief in a god or non-belief in a god. I'll wait....

Okay! Keep waiting!

(June 22, 2012 at 5:47 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: It's basic logic. It is impossible to be a member of contradictory classes at the same time. This is the law of noncontradiction.

The classes in this case are:
The belief that a god exists.
The non-belief that a god exists.

Please let me know how someone can be in a state that is neither belief in a god or non-belief in a god. I'll wait....

Hey, Mr. Logic...the wait is over. Despite your obvious narcissism, you never even considered agnosticism , did you?

(June 23, 2012 at 3:20 am)cato123 Wrote:

(June 22, 2012 at 5:47 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: It's basic logic. It is impossible to be a member of contradictory classes at the same time. This is the law of noncontradiction.

The classes in this case are:
The belief that a god exists.
The non-belief that a god exists.

Please let me know how someone can be in a state that is neither belief in a god or non-belief in a god. I'll wait....

Hey, Mr. Logic...the wait is over. Despite your obvious narcissism, you never even considered agnosticism , did you?

Why would I consider agnosticism? We're discussing atheism, which is the absence of BELIEF in the existence of deities.

Agnosticism has nothing to do with BELIEF. Agnosticism concerns KNOWLEDGE. Agnosticism is NOT a fence sitting position between belief and disbelief.

Agnostic - a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.

Atheist - a person who disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Notice how in the definition of 'agnostic', the word 'belief' is not used. Notice also , in the definition of 'atheist', the word 'knowledge' is not used.

If a person says they're agnostic, that says nothing about what the believe, only about what they claim is knowable.

You do know the difference between 'belief' and 'knowledge', right?

bro your atheist u just prayed those times because their was nothing else to because you cant control the outcomes

(July 2, 2012 at 9:01 pm)finalyawake Wrote: bro your atheist u just prayed those times because their was nothing else to because you cant control the outcomes

Can someone please interpret this sentence? Or add some punctuation, or at the very least, add a couple fucking commas.


jesustapdancingchrist. I had to read it 4 goddamn times to figure out what the fuck you were talking about.

(June 21, 2012 at 4:37 pm)c.P.u1 Wrote: Didn't know it was this simple. But I do not find any people in my circle who don't believe in God. I've asked many people but they all believe in it. What is it that makes a person believe in something they've never seen or felt?

You may need a new circle as well as the new religious stance.

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(July 5, 2012 at 10:00 am)Cinjin Wrote:

(July 2, 2012 at 9:01 pm)finalyawake Wrote: bro your atheist u just prayed those times because their was nothing else to because you cant control the outcomes

Can someone please interpret this sentence? Or add some punctuation, or at the very least, add a couple fucking commas.


jesustapdancingchrist. I had to read it 4 goddamn times to figure out what the fuck you were talking about.

Honestly? No. I think it is a kind of Rorschach test. I think maybe it means that even if you go to an atheist university you still can't control any outcomes so you may as well pray to God. It's probably post modern. I never get that shit.

There can be souls but no god or afterlife. There can be afterlife but no god or souls. There can be god but no souls or afterlife.
All evidence points to absence of god, souls or afterlife. Afterlife especially.
So I guess you are an atheist.

Quote:Didn't know it was this simple. But I do not find any people in my circle who don't believe in God.

Mate, you need to find a new circle. In MY circle,there is ONE theist; my 86 year old mother.

Easy? No, took me many years. Today I simply don't have the patience to suffer fools.. Fortunately for all concerned, theist dropkicks of the kind we get here are rare in Australia. (except in Queensland,which is our bible belt,and is called "the deep north")

More or less which is awesome because you can now do whatever you want... MWAHAHAHAHAHAH- nah I'm just kidding, we're a pretty mellow bunch.