Yes Rhiz - logical

Oh you bolded it, much more compelling argument! /sarcasm

Rhizo

(September 17, 2009 at 6:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Why even comment then? I thought you claimed to be intelligent - yet this is such an insurmountable task to you? Surley then you have no grounds to criticise something you are not willing to even consider. All you can say is "I'm not interested". The rest is pure uniformed bias.

There is no intelligence in the Bible or anything said in regards to God, God's, or any other imaginary being. History is one thing...the Bible is another. When I was a child I was willing to consider God. You know...when I believed in Santa and the Tooth fairy. Of course I'm not willing to consider God, the Bible, or those who wrote portions of the Bible.

Def bold wins - you out

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(September 17, 2009 at 6:45 pm)dry land fish Wrote: There is no intelligence in the Bible or anything said in regards to God, God's, or any other imaginary being. History is one thing...the Bible is another. When I was a child I was willing to consider God. You know...when I believed in Santa and the Tooth fairy. Of course I'm not willing to consider God, the Bible, or those who wrote portions of the Bible.

That's really very bigoted of you, thanks

fr0d0 the only thing logical to a Christian is faith which in my opinion is nothing more than voluntary ignorance of facts.JP did not prove how logical the existence of God was since as you saw in the exchanges I had with him,his logic only works if I in faith accept his Christian worldview as the starting point.

You got nowhere claiming ignorance of the facts CP. You're own view is illogically twisted, and that's your issue. The fact is that God is logically possible.

(September 18, 2009 at 12:18 am)chatpilot Wrote: fr0d0 the only thing logical to a Christian is faith which in my opinion is nothing more than voluntary ignorance of facts.JP did not prove how logical the existence of God was since as you saw in the exchanges I had with him,his logic only works if I in faith accept his Christian worldview as the starting point.

I totally agree. It's only logical in the christian worldview. All JP did was make baseless assertions.
We can't disprove god and nor can anyone prove god but it's the same with countless billions of characters. Too consider gods existence is to consider all other unprovable characters as well.

I stopped considering gods existence the moment I heard he was non-temporal. Being non-temporal means he is that far out of range of observation through the scientific method that it could never be proven nor dis-proven and so it would remain an endless argument. So I dismiss the god claim. So in the eyes of science and all observable methods, god does not exist. Unless evidence is found to prove otherwise.

I'd thought I'd bring this up for the sake of it. "A god that is responsible for the creation of a universe would be at least as complicated as the universe that it creates. Therefore, it too must require a designer. And its designer would require a designer also, ad infinitum. The argument for the existence of god is then a logical fallacy with or without the use of special pleading."

As they say "ignorance is bliss" the only possibility that god exists is when you suspend your ability to evaluate such matters through the processes of logic and reason.The argument that the existence of god cannot be proven but is logically possible is like saying that the existence of Zeus cannot be proven but is logically possible.In other words that formula of yours must apply to all the other gods and mythical characters.

Ignorance is only bliss until you have to pay for it

(September 18, 2009 at 6:59 am)Ace Wrote: "A god that is responsible for the creation of a universe would be at least as complicated as the universe that it creates..."

And the argument that supports such a conclusion is...?

P.S. I am wondering if you are aware that your signature proudly champions a very basic logical fallacy, and whether or not you care. It's fine if you don't, of course; it's just weird that you parade it so proudly. (That is, "God does not exist. Unless there is evidence to prove otherwise.")