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Deuteronomy 23 : 2
October 2, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Dueteronomy 23 : 2 says
"2 No one born out of wedlock or any descendant of such a person, even in the tenth generation, may be included among the Lord's people."
Most versions of the bible that I found on biblegateway.com use either "born out of wedlock" or "bastard". The New International Versions use "born of a forbidden marriage" .
Using a bit of binary maths (not math . . lets be civilised), everybody has 512 great great . . .(nine times) grandparents, 256 great great . . (eight times) grandparents etc. Adding all of these up makes a total of 1022 parents/grandparents who can all be counted as a persons ancestor going back 10 generations. That means that every one of those 1022 pairs of ancestors must have had to be married to escape the penalty of this verse. I doubt that even the Queen of England (may God save her) could manage that. Unfortunately this is only a speculation since most people can't get info about their distant relatives.
I know for a fact that my maternal grandparents were never married so, according to this verse, neither I nor my children and their children . . . for about the next 200 years should go to church.
Don't even get me started on Deuteronomy 23 : 1
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
October 2, 2012 at 5:40 pm
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2012 at 5:41 pm by Kayenneh.)
In the Swedish version it's 'of mixed ancestry' with the footnote that it might mean just that or indeed children born out of wedlock. Either way, it doesn't better the odds to get into heaven, now does it? 
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
October 2, 2012 at 5:59 pm
(October 2, 2012 at 5:23 pm)pgrimes15 Wrote: Dueteronomy 23 : 2 says
"2 No one born out of wedlock or any descendant of such a person, even in the tenth generation, may be included among the Lord's people."
Most versions of the bible that I found on biblegateway.com use either "born out of wedlock" or "bastard". The New International Versions use "born of a forbidden marriage" .
Using a bit of binary maths (not math . . lets be civilised), everybody has 512 great great . . .(nine times) grandparents, 256 great great . . (eight times) grandparents etc. Adding all of these up makes a total of 1022 parents/grandparents who can all be counted as a persons ancestor going back 10 generations. That means that every one of those 1022 pairs of ancestors must have had to be married to escape the penalty of this verse. I doubt that even the Queen of England (may God save her) could manage that. Unfortunately this is only a speculation since most people can't get info about their distant relatives.
I know for a fact that my maternal grandparents were never married so, according to this verse, neither I nor my children and their children . . . for about the next 200 years should go to church.
Don't even get me started on Deuteronomy 23 : 1
Regards
Grimesy
This for the Israelite nation only, if an Israelite married outside there people and had children they would not be recognized as an Israelite, therefore not a part of God's people. So Grimesy, off to church you go.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
October 2, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Yeah - Hitler had a similar standard, G-C.
I'm sure you know the type.
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
October 2, 2012 at 6:31 pm
This for the Israelite nation only, if an Israelite married outside there people and had children they would not be recognized as an Israelite, therefore not a part of God's people. So Grimesy, off to church you go.
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
October 2, 2012 at 9:15 pm
(October 2, 2012 at 5:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: This for the Israelite nation only, if an Israelite married outside there people and had children they would not be recognized as an Israelite, therefore not a part of God's people. So Grimesy, off to church you go.
So anyone not considered an Israelite is going to hell? Or are you saying that god doesn't care if non-israelites have children out of wedlock?
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
October 2, 2012 at 10:29 pm
It could have been children born of incest or adultery.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
October 2, 2012 at 11:04 pm
(October 2, 2012 at 10:29 pm)Polaris Wrote: It could have been children born of incest or adultery.
If Eve was born from Adam's rib, were Cain and Abel born of incest?
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
October 2, 2012 at 11:07 pm
(October 2, 2012 at 9:15 pm)Darkstar Wrote: (October 2, 2012 at 5:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: This for the Israelite nation only, if an Israelite married outside there people and had children they would not be recognized as an Israelite, therefore not a part of God's people. So Grimesy, off to church you go.
So anyone not considered an Israelite is going to hell? Or are you saying that god doesn't care if non-israelites have children out of wedlock?
No, what lead you to think that, Christ made salvation possible for all.
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RE: Deuteronomy 23 : 2
October 2, 2012 at 11:15 pm
(October 2, 2012 at 5:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: (October 2, 2012 at 5:23 pm)pgrimes15 Wrote: Dueteronomy 23 : 2 says
"2 No one born out of wedlock or any descendant of such a person, even in the tenth generation, may be included among the Lord's people."
Most versions of the bible that I found on biblegateway.com use either "born out of wedlock" or "bastard". The New International Versions use "born of a forbidden marriage" .
Using a bit of binary maths (not math . . lets be civilised), everybody has 512 great great . . .(nine times) grandparents, 256 great great . . (eight times) grandparents etc. Adding all of these up makes a total of 1022 parents/grandparents who can all be counted as a persons ancestor going back 10 generations. That means that every one of those 1022 pairs of ancestors must have had to be married to escape the penalty of this verse. I doubt that even the Queen of England (may God save her) could manage that. Unfortunately this is only a speculation since most people can't get info about their distant relatives.
I know for a fact that my maternal grandparents were never married so, according to this verse, neither I nor my children and their children . . . for about the next 200 years should go to church.
Don't even get me started on Deuteronomy 23 : 1
Regards
Grimesy
This for the Israelite nation only, if an Israelite married outside there people and had children they would not be recognized as an Israelite, therefore not a part of God's people. So Grimesy, off to church you go.
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