(December 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm)A Theist Wrote: Then maybe you should pack your bags and move to the Eden of Sweden where you'll be happier.

Anywhere far away from you would make a person happier ...

(December 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(December 1, 2012 at 2:58 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Y'know, compared to the US, countries like Finland and Sweeden are extremely socialist and they pretty consistantly kick our American asses as for having a happier population.

Then maybe you should pack your bags and move to the Eden of Sweden where you'll be happier.

Can't say I haven't considered it. Sadly, I'm broke and travel is expensive for a poor student like myself. Plus, I have family and friends here I want to stay around. Lastly, other nations have their own immigration policy and, as of now, they probably wouldn't let me in.... at least not until I graduate, since nurses are in demand everywhere.

(December 1, 2012 at 6:46 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(December 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm)A Theist Wrote: Then maybe you should pack your bags and move to the Eden of Sweden where you'll be happier.

Can't say I haven't considered it. Sadly, I'm broke and travel is expensive for a poor student like myself. Plus, I have family and friends here I want to stay around. Lastly, other nations have their own immigration policy and, as of now, they probably wouldn't let me in.... at least not until I graduate, since nurses are in demand everywhere.

I keep hoping the republican party will give it up and find a totalitarian state more to their liking. I'd welcome secession, one person at a time.

(December 1, 2012 at 6:46 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(December 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm)A Theist Wrote: Then maybe you should pack your bags and move to the Eden of Sweden where you'll be happier.

Can't say I haven't considered it. Sadly, I'm broke and travel is expensive for a poor student like myself. Plus, I have family and friends here I want to stay around. Lastly, other nations have their own immigration policy and, as of now, they probably wouldn't let me in.... at least not until I graduate, since nurses are in demand everywhere.

Yeah, real bummer, huh....being unhappy living here in America. Must be miserable....too bad we don't have the same strict immigration policies of those other 'free and open' nations. Oh well, guess you're stuck here TJ.

(December 1, 2012 at 7:55 pm)whateverist Wrote: I keep hoping the republican party will give it up and find a totalitarian state more to their liking. I'd welcome secession, one person at a time.

I know. They keep saying how much they hate government, but none of them have ever moved somewhere that they could escape government altogether:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QDv4sYwjO0

On a more serious note, part of me wants southern, conservative states to start secession simply because the rest of the nation would become more liberal as a result of not having far right wack-jobs pushing federal legislation into crazy town. However, since I live in Texas, I know my state would be the first to go and I'd need to get far away from here, fast. I can't imagine Texas being GLBT friendly if not for the fact that the pesky constitution is getting in their way. I mean, consensual homosexual sex was only decriminalized here because of a supreme court ruling in 2003.

(December 1, 2012 at 8:43 pm)A Theist Wrote: Yeah, real bummer, huh....being unhappy living here in America. Must be miserable....too bad we don't have the same strict immigration policies of those other 'free and open' nations. Oh well, guess you're stuck here TJ.

Do you realise that you sound like a 9 year old bully on a playground?


I didn`t jet make remarcs in this thread since I wasn`t interested.

But TaraJo is right. We have social healthcare and eaven more. And fact is that we are statisticaly better of in healthcare than you are.

To then state: "Well why dont you go over there" is sooooooooooooooooo fepjvj2üodsqwncf´03

If people defend gay rights, do you tell them to go and fuck a dude up the ass?

(December 1, 2012 at 9:45 am)A Theist Wrote: Why should they listen to you...You sound like a angry little propagandized leftist peon who's only repeating what he heard on MSLSD news and the class warfare rhetoric he heard from the democrat campaign.

Aww, look, someone's still salty over the 2012 election results.

---

(December 1, 2012 at 2:31 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

---

(December 1, 2012 at 2:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah - he's a wonderful human being!

http://newsone.com/819085/5-reasons-rand...-theorist/

That link doesn't seem to have anything to do with corporations, but ok...

Quote:5. He Celebrates At Elitist Formerly All-White Golf Clubs

Formerly. Are we to refuse to spend our time at places that used to discriminate against non-white people? That would probably affect all our lives for the worse.

Quote:4. He Hires Neo-Nazis

One of the core tenets of Libertarianism is not to judge people on their beliefs. Obama hires women...does that make him one?

Quote:Rand Paul caused a great deal of controversy when he told Rachel Maddow that he believed businesses had the right to discriminate on the basis of skin color.

I believe they do as well. I wouldn't ever use such a business, but people can be discriminatory, and businesses should too. I doubt such businesses would last very long in modern society...the vast majority of people are not racists.

Quote:2. He Take Tons Of Money From White Supremacists And Won’t Give It Back

Because one of the core tenets of Libertarianism is not to judge people on their beliefs. Besides, if racist groups want to support a candidate, they have every right to. It doesn't mean the candidate is a racist. I'm sure if you looked at all the donations to Obama's campaign, you will see some very shady and questionable people.

Quote:1. He’s Hangs Out With Conspiracy King Alex Jones

Hanging out with people doesn't mean you agree with everything they say.

---

Oh boy, Tibbers. How do those sayings go?

"Tell me what company you keep and I'll tell you what you are" comes to mind. As does "Choose your friends carefully; you reveal your character not only by the company you keep, but also by the company you avoid." Shall I go on?

A man who associates with men who are openly racist, white-supremacist bigots...chances are he's one of them. You can't use the "he's a Libertarian, and that's why!" argument, either. Scott Walker claims to be a libertarian but he as good as kowtows to federal law on issues like marijuana legalization, and he has been rigorous in his implementation of forcing homeowners to abide by increasingly strict housing regulations.

You can judge by the company someone else keeps, and 99 times out of 100 you will be right on the money with what you initially judged based on that. And I judge Rand Paul to be a racist dirtbag, because he associates with racist dirtbags. "Birds of a feather..."

---

(December 1, 2012 at 9:20 pm)TaraJo Wrote: On a more serious note, part of me wants southern, conservative states to start secession simply because the rest of the nation would become more liberal as a result of not having far right wack-jobs pushing federal legislation into crazy town. However, since I live in Texas, I know my state would be the first to go and I'd need to get far away from here, fast. I can't imagine Texas being GLBT friendly if not for the fact that the pesky constitution is getting in their way. I mean, consensual homosexual sex was only decriminalized here because of a supreme court ruling in 2003.

They're not going to ever secede, you know why? They'd fall apart within months because they're all a bunch of financial budgeting wrecks.



Yeahhh. That's why we in blue states roll our eyes and start snickering while smirking patronizingly at the "secessionists" whenever they start bleating about seceding; it's like watching the emo kid in school who kept whining about how mommy and daddy didn't love him so he was gonna kill himself. And at first everyone was like "aw c'mon don't do that," but then ten times later and everyone just starts laughing and goading him to do it...and he never does it.

---

(December 1, 2012 at 8:43 pm)A Theist Wrote: Yeah, real bummer, huh....being unhappy living here in America. Must be miserable....too bad we don't have the same strict immigration policies of those other 'free and open' nations. Oh well, guess you're stuck here TJ.

Saaaallllllttttt.

(December 2, 2012 at 1:22 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: They're not going to ever secede, you know why? They'd fall apart within months because they're all a bunch of financial budgeting wrecks.



Yeahhh. That's why we in blue states roll our eyes and start snickering while smirking patronizingly at the "secessionists" whenever they start bleating about seceding; it's like watching the emo kid in school who kept whining about how mommy and daddy didn't love him so he was gonna kill himself. And at first everyone was like "aw c'mon don't do that," but then ten times later and everyone just starts laughing and goading him to do it...and he never does it.

Once in a while, though, that emo kid does off himself, though.....

Usually, I'd agree with you because seccession would be a horrible idea for them. Problem is, the tea party has kinda taken over the Republican party and they aren't exactly known for making reasonable, rational choices. I mean, this is the party that thought Michelle Bachmann was a good representative for themselves. This is the party that bemoaned that Romney wasn't conservative enough. This is the party whose candidates turned the Republicans into 'the rape party.' So even if it makes no logical sense for them to leave the union, I can still see them doing it.

Another worry, as for that chart, notice how my state, Texas, actually pays more in taxes than they take in? Financially speaking, Texas could actually get by without the rest of the union. The other states might be able to do better than you'd think since they can simply drop programs they don't like such as medicare, food stamps or public schools.

Then again, if Texas does leave the union, I could probably get into some other country as a refugee.

To play devil's advocate (without using my redneck voice and yell, "If you don't luv Amerkuh, then you can git out!"), I think the fiscal cliff thing is being subjected to quite a lot of spin from Obama's people. For example, they've successfully defined it as solely an issue about taxes on rich people, but Boehner has some other objections, as well:

1. He won't surrender his party's control of debt-ceiling negotiations (this is a political tactic, but that's the game, folks)
2. He thinks we need to address entitlements more seriously.

The first point is a philosophical one as well, in that Congress should have the right to control the debt ceiling. If the GOP was more cooperative, I'd be more supportive of Boehner. The problem is that they're in the hands of some real economic extremists--like, I'm afraid to say, Rand Paul. Now, the Paul clan is more amenable to negotiation than someone like Sarah Palin, but only just. They really are the true believers of anti-government ideology, and that's just not very helpful in a debt crisis-recession dynamic.

The second point is more substantive, in my view. The big budget items on the table include things like Social Security, which is political poison (look what happened to Romney). But, old people are determined to tax under-employed young people no matter what, just on principle and not genuine need. That's crazy. Plus, defense spending isn't coming down fast enough. We can make demand-side justifications for other big line items, like middle class tax cuts / entitlements, but cutting checks to retirees who don't need them, and carrying on our Sisyphean task in Afghanistan ad infinitum are not really sustainable arguments in a rational universe. Still Obama's team have avoided these more serious issues by playing up to Boehner's stupid defense of supply-side nonsense. They're walking right into the trap Barry set for them, just like Romney did for the entire election. Still, giving the GOP rope to hang itself with is also a stupid policy--that's how we got into Iraq.

So, in my view Boehner has raised some elements of legitimate issues, but he needs to concede that he's lost the public debate and save us from a double-dip recession. That means giving up his Speaker post. I bet he'll cry.

Z
Disclaimers: I'm not young and I voted for Obama.

(December 1, 2012 at 9:20 pm)TaraJo Wrote: On a more serious note, part of me wants southern, conservative states to start secession simply because the rest of the nation would become more liberal as a result of not having far right wack-jobs pushing federal legislation into crazy town. However, since I live in Texas, I know my state would be the first to go and I'd need to get far away from here, fast. I can't imagine Texas being GLBT friendly if not for the fact that the pesky constitution is getting in their way. I mean, consensual homosexual sex was only decriminalized here because of a supreme court ruling in 2003.

...how far should our government go with cultural distortions to redefine marriage in this country...since homosexual marriage between consenting adults is recognized in some states, why not take it farther to also include polygamous marriages between consenting adults where a man or a woman can legally marry multiple spouses?