(December 30, 2012 at 8:30 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(December 30, 2012 at 8:12 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Jesus christ Creed, at least let the man take his coat off when he walks into the house before showering him with the good stuff.

Oh yeah, welcome. Doubt we'll see eye to eye on many things in all honesty, though I'm interested in these 'experiences' of yours.

I'd be happy to tell you of my experiences with what I felt was supernatural but given the tone with some in here lol i'd rather do it privately and at another time as its getting late now. Maybe in time I may feel "safe" to open them up to the ridicule of others here but not at moment and not until I feel they are at least friends even if we disagree

As the old saying goes. "If you don't want your beliefs to be ridiculed, you shouldn't have such ridiculous beliefs."

(December 30, 2012 at 8:08 pm)Darwinian Wrote:

(December 30, 2012 at 8:03 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Well you have to admit that all the works of man will be torn down and turned to nothing if there is nothing beyond this universe which is destined to cold death or reversal to new big bang. So your eloquence was ultimately a pointless waste in a pointless history of a pointless accident called humanity which is ultimately to doomed by all that science offers. I prefer to have hope in more.

What you mean is that you prefer to live in hope of an eternal future rather than to bask in the wonders of the moment.

But surely an infinite future renders any era of time and experience just as meaningless as a finite one.

There is truth in your last statement but maybe not completely meaningless but nothing in comparsion to eternity. This in itself will take a lifetime to tease out. But it would suggest the importance about thinking about the possability of eternity and the consequences that it may bring. And plz don't jump all over that last bit ( I'm not goin to start preaching Hell and Damnation ) just saying if life doesn't end at death what then? is an ancient and venerable question.

(December 30, 2012 at 8:36 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: just saying if life doesn't end at death what then? is an ancient and venerable question.

Pretty sure the ending of one's life is the definition of death.

(December 30, 2012 at 8:40 pm)frankiej Wrote:

(December 30, 2012 at 8:36 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: just saying if life doesn't end at death what then? is an ancient and venerable question.

Pretty sure the ending of one's life is the definition of death.

It sure as hell is mine.

(December 30, 2012 at 8:36 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: if life doesn't end at death what then? is an ancient and venerable question.

Who knows? I'll mark myself down as an "Optimistic, I don't know" but whatever there might be I really don't want to waste this life by worrying about it.

I don't want to be so obsessed by what's over the horizon that I forget to notice all the fantastic things that are around me now. Nor do I want to be influenced in my view and interpretation of what's all around me now by fairy tales about what lies over the horizon.

(December 30, 2012 at 8:03 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Well you have to admit that all the works of man will be torn down and turned to nothing if there is nothing beyond this universe which is destined to cold death or reversal to new big bang. So your eloquence was ultimately a pointless waste in a pointless history of a pointless accident called humanity which is ultimately to doomed by all that science offers. I prefer to have hope in more.

After a little while of being an atheist, I have found the meaningless and pointlessness of life and existence to be quite liberating.

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Oh, and welcome.

(December 30, 2012 at 8:40 pm)frankiej Wrote:

(December 30, 2012 at 8:36 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: just saying if life doesn't end at death what then? is an ancient and venerable question.

Pretty sure the ending of one's life is the definition of death.

depends on ones definition of life

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(December 30, 2012 at 8:32 pm)Darwinian Wrote:

(December 30, 2012 at 8:30 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: I'd be happy to tell you of my experiences with what I felt was supernatural but given the tone with some in here lol i'd rather do it privately and at another time as its getting late now. Maybe in time I may feel "safe" to open them up to the ridicule of others here but not at moment and not until I feel they are at least friends even if we disagree

As the old saying goes. "If you don't want your beliefs to be ridiculed, you shouldn't have such ridiculous beliefs."

ouch. but then again some folks believe the world is round, how silly is that when we all know its a cube.

(December 30, 2012 at 8:56 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: ouch. but then again some folks believe the world is round, how silly is that when we all know its a cube.

Don't be silly, we all know it's flat and it sits on the back of a giant turtle!

(December 30, 2012 at 8:47 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:

(December 30, 2012 at 8:03 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Well you have to admit that all the works of man will be torn down and turned to nothing if there is nothing beyond this universe which is destined to cold death or reversal to new big bang. So your eloquence was ultimately a pointless waste in a pointless history of a pointless accident called humanity which is ultimately to doomed by all that science offers. I prefer to have hope in more.

After a little while of being an atheist, I have found the meaningless and pointlessness of life and existence to be quite liberating.

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Oh, and welcome.

I'm sure it does. But 2 questions 1) does it have any demands 2) how does it help when times are not good. I'm genuinely curious i'm not just edging for a debate.

Welcome new Mark! I look forward to engaging you out on the boards.