Probably refering to organised religion. Or what 16th century calvinists in the Netherlands and the UK, including those who chopped Charles Stuart the seconds head of, refered to as "popish, popery".

This is highly hipocrytical. It is the duty of those who worship Jesus to attend church. How can one be against organized religion and still be a worshipper of Christ?

(February 12, 2013 at 5:34 pm)TheLameMayWalk Wrote: This is highly hipocrytical. It is the duty of those who worship Jesus to attend church. How can one be against organized religion and still be a worshipper of Christ?

That question was asked 400 years ago by a monk called Luther.

It resulted in a brutal 30 years war, the english civil war, a war between england and france, a war between england and the netherlands and a war between spain and the netherlands.
And in the following 300 years protestants and catholics would slaughter each other in europe over that useless and silly question.


Dont take this wrong, but 300 years of bloodshed have made it obviuos that the question isnt worth answering.

Religion =/= Christianity

(February 12, 2013 at 7:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Religion =/= Christianity

You're right. Silly us for thinking that xtianity is a religion.

It is a widespread cult.

(February 12, 2013 at 9:06 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:

(February 12, 2013 at 7:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Religion =/= Christianity

You're right. Silly us for thinking that xtianity is a religion.

It is a widespread cult.

I've made several comments like this. What I mean when i separate religion from Christ, is the method of worship/religion taking priority over the establishment of a personal relationship. Corporate worship or religious worship is often steeped in meaningless ceremony, and mindless tradition. Why is this a bad thing? It's not always a bad thing for everyone. For our greatest command is to worship our god with all of our being. For SOME this means they have to follow a corporate model of worship. However for most a corporate style worship is boring and off putting, making it toxic to the faith we are to have.

(February 12, 2013 at 9:45 pm)Drich Wrote: I've made several comments like this. What I mean when i separate religion from Christ, is the method of worship/religion taking priority over the establishment of a personal relationship. Corporate worship or religious worship is often steeped in meaningless ceremony, and mindless tradition. Why is this a bad thing? It's not always a bad thing for everyone. For our greatest command is to worship our god with all of our being. For SOME this means they have to follow a corporate model of worship. However for most a corporate style worship is boring and off putting, making it toxic to the faith we are to have.

It's not a bad thing, IMO. I personally prefer less emphasis on the "organized" bit of organized religion. A bunch of people with personal relationships with god are much less likely to start a real, potentially world-ending war than many people united under an artificial bureaucracy.

But the issue becomes, how does someone define a religion that doesn't adhere to strict guidelines? A lot of the people who I've seen arguing with you (including myself) don't like that you seem to answer that question by using your own, personal definition of what a Christian is. You can have your opinion, of course, but it makes debate a nightmare of shifting goalposts if you don't clearly define it beforehand. (And no one ever clearly defines what specific type of Christian they are.)