(February 18, 2013 at 4:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Rational belief is something you have worked out.

Wrong. In order for your belief to be rational, it must be correctly worked out, i.e. in accordance to reason. Not evrything you are capable of working out is rational.

(February 18, 2013 at 4:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: If you know without thinking then how can that be rational??

You can't know without thinking.

(February 18, 2013 at 4:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Belief with faith has to be rational, because it can be nothing else.

On the contrary, belief with faith is necessarily irrational because it requires suspension of reason.

(February 18, 2013 at 4:00 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Are those rational conclusions valid... is down to the individual and their cognitive abilities.

A conclusion is valid if reason has been applied correctly while reaching it. In which case, the only way it is wrong is if it starts with wrong premises - which is often the case with theists.

Too much fail.

(February 18, 2013 at 4:35 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Why do you say that I don't agree with evolution? Or disagree with any scientific consensus? I don't.

I might disagree with what's fashionable and prefer to find our what's true rather than what's pushed on me.

We're still at the lowest common denominator I fear

I am not saying you specifically. I point out the 60+% of Americans that don't believe in evolution. This includes many of the studied and respected apologists of your religion.

Not respected by me, although accepted as my siblings in christ

(February 18, 2013 at 6:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Not respected by me, although accepted as my siblings in christ

That isn't exactly an answer now, is it?

If there was a God, there wouldn't be any other Gods. Why would the "real" God believe in other Gods? There wouldn't be any other ones.

(February 18, 2013 at 6:21 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: If there was a God, there wouldn't be any other Gods. Why would the "real" God believe in other Gods? There wouldn't be any other ones.

Just because he is the god of our existence doesn't mean he doesn't, in turn, have his own supreme being/creator/skydaddy.

(February 18, 2013 at 6:24 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:

(February 18, 2013 at 6:21 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: If there was a God, there wouldn't be any other Gods. Why would the "real" God believe in other Gods? There wouldn't be any other ones.

Just because he is the god of our existence doesn't mean he doesn't, in turn, have his own supreme being/creator/skydaddy.

I guess that leads to the question of what created God.

(February 18, 2013 at 6:27 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote:

(February 18, 2013 at 6:24 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: Just because he is the god of our existence doesn't mean he doesn't, in turn, have his own supreme being/creator/skydaddy.

I guess that leads to the question of what created God.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(February 18, 2013 at 6:29 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:

(February 18, 2013 at 6:27 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: I guess that leads to the question of what created God.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BUT WHAT DO WE DO WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT.


Wait. We can't answer it. There's no logical answer to that question.

God did it.

God created God.