Communism is immoral and it has been used to brutally subjugate people of faith by the Soviet Atheists of the past.

(March 3, 2013 at 9:23 am)mo66 Wrote: Communism is immoral and it has been used to brutally subjugate people of faith by the Soviet Atheists of the past.

I wonder if he realizes the absurdity about complaining about brutally subjugating people while his religious views read "conservative orthodox Islam." News flash, buddy, but the Islamic countries out there aren't exactly havens of freedom.

(March 3, 2013 at 9:36 am)TaraJo Wrote:

(March 3, 2013 at 9:23 am)mo66 Wrote: Communism is immoral and it has been used to brutally subjugate people of faith by the Soviet Atheists of the past.

I wonder if he realizes the absurdity about complaining about brutally subjugating people while his religious views read "conservative orthodox Islam." News flash, buddy, but the Islamic countries out there aren't exactly havens of freedom.

Did I say they were havens of freedom? No. Stop building a strawman. And FYI, Soviet Atheists sent religious people to death camps, something that no Muslim country has ever done. Do you see Atheists being rounded up in the Muslim world like the communists of the past? I don't think so.

(March 3, 2013 at 9:40 am)mo66 Wrote: Did I say they were havens of freedom? No. Stop building a strawman. And FYI, Soviet Atheists sent religious people to death camps, something that no Muslim country has ever done. Do you see Atheists being rounded up in the Muslim world like the communists of the past? I don't think so.

No, I see Muslim countries stoning women to death for going outside alone and ordering the executions of people for making cartoons they don't like. They even rioted and attacked an America embassy because of a poorly made Youtube video that was offensive to Islam.

As for the communist executions of religious people, that's what happens when you have blind obedience to any ideology whether it's religious or otherwise. Blind obedience to te state, which is what soviet nations wanted, is just as dangerous as blind obedience to Allah or Jesus.

(March 3, 2013 at 9:53 am)TaraJo Wrote:

(March 3, 2013 at 9:40 am)mo66 Wrote: Did I say they were havens of freedom? No. Stop building a strawman. And FYI, Soviet Atheists sent religious people to death camps, something that no Muslim country has ever done. Do you see Atheists being rounded up in the Muslim world like the communists of the past? I don't think so.

No, I see Muslim countries stoning women to death for going outside alone and ordering the executions of people for making cartoons they don't like. They even rioted and attacked an America embassy because of a poorly made Youtube video that was offensive to Islam.

As for the communist executions of religious people, that's what happens when you have blind obedience to any ideology whether it's religious or otherwise. Blind obedience to te state, which is what soviet nations wanted, is just as dangerous as blind obedience to Allah or Jesus.

You're equating riots with Atheist death camps? Lol Muslims don't round up and then torture and execute people in Siberia simply because they disagree on their beliefs. That's what the Atheists did, not Muslims. State sanctioned death camps.

(March 3, 2013 at 9:58 am)mo66 Wrote: You're equating riots with Atheist death camps? Lol Muslims don't round up and then torture and execute people in Siberia simply because they disagree on their beliefs. That's what the Atheists did, not Muslims. State sanctioned death camps.

So, let me see if I understand what you're saying: it's more acceptable to kill people as long as you aren't rounding them up into camps to do it. Is this what you're saying?

(March 3, 2013 at 10:19 am)TaraJo Wrote:

(March 3, 2013 at 9:58 am)mo66 Wrote: You're equating riots with Atheist death camps? Lol Muslims don't round up and then torture and execute people in Siberia simply because they disagree on their beliefs. That's what the Atheists did, not Muslims. State sanctioned death camps.

So, let me see if I understand what you're saying: it's more acceptable to kill people as long as you aren't rounding them up into camps to do it. Is this what you're saying?

You are still being defensive about the fact that Soviet Atheists oppressed citizens who happened to disagree with them and executed them? You're still being their apologist?

I do not believe communism works, and I would not want to live in a communist nation. Ever.

(March 2, 2013 at 11:19 pm)TaraJo Wrote: The irony is that socialism and communism gets popular when capitalism gets too powerful and corrupt. Remember, there wasn't a communist revolution in Russia until after the general public was being crushed by corrupt capitalists.

As a double annoyance, I don't think the second part of your statement is accurate either. I would hardly consider Czarist Russia to be a capitalist state. I think they were more or less a Feudal society still. According to Marx, Capitalism replaced Feudalism and Socialism would replace Capitalism. So they peasants in Russia never lived under Capitalism, they skipped a step.

(March 3, 2013 at 11:13 am)mo66 Wrote: You are still being defensive about the fact that Soviet Atheists oppressed citizens who happened to disagree with them and executed them? You're still being their apologist?

Nope. I think the soviets who ran the USSR were monsterous, murdering bastards. I also think the people who run the Islamic nations in the middle east are a bunch of monsterous, murdering bastards.

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(March 3, 2013 at 1:25 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: As a double annoyance, I don't think the second part of your statement is accurate either. I would hardly consider Czarist Russia to be a capitalist state. I think they were more or less a Feudal society still. According to Marx, Capitalism replaced Feudalism and Socialism would replace Capitalism. So they peasants in Russia never lived under Capitalism, they skipped a step.

True, but in a practical sense, capitalism and feudalism are extremely similar. We like to talk about how anyone who works hard enough can make it with capitalism, but the reality is there has never been that much social mobility. If you're born on the top, you're likely to stay on top. If yo're born into povety, you're likely to stay in poverty. So the wealthy land owners just turn into wealthy corporations and the basic system stays the same.