(April 7, 2013 at 8:38 am)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(April 7, 2013 at 8:13 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: Well I believe it can be proven. There is evidence that one can find if that one is willing to seek and research.

And why wont you show that evidence?

Did you not see the part where I stated that were I to give evidence, you would simply refute it? Freaking google it! You know what youtube is? But you will come up with some explanation against it i'm sure.

Quote: But I realize also that evidence against God can be found.

Against the gods, not god, dont forget that yours isnt the only existing religion.

Not the only existing religion, but the only God.

Quote:In any case, believe what you will,

Let me get this strait: You challenge the atheism of the forum members here, and when the challenge has been met and the questions are brought back to you - you chicken out?

It was not a challenge to your lack of evidence, it was a simple excercise of curiousity. How about you go find the answers instead of depending on me to provide you with the key to heaven? You want the evidence, go to church and find it! Open the Bible! Search for extra-biblical proof of God!

Quote:but I have seen the proof, and so it has been proven to me. I believe one of my first deciding factors in seeking God, was that I wanted to find out if I would cease to exist or not, and I have come to the conclusion that I will not, and neither will anyone else.

What?????

The questions you ask yourself while on the toilet and the answeres you give them yourself do not stand in any way as conclusive evidence. They are simply your own mindgames.

I didn't give myself the answers.. Obviously. I said that I have found proof, and this proof has led me to my logical conclusion. If you want conclusive evidence, get off of your computer and go out into the world, where there a people living their lives, actually seeking the answers that they need to find to have peace.

Quote:That is where my proof has led me. And I can attest to the miracles, signs and wonders that God uses to prove His existence, but then you wouldn't believe me without seeing it for yourself, am I right? That is why I say that one must seek the Truth for oneself. Oh, and thanks for clarifying!

In other words, you dont have any evidence to put forward and try to rephrase it in a ay which makes you sound as if you hadnt just challeneged the non-evidence of others, without even being capable of proving your own stuff.

No. I like how you are so fond of twisting things though. Again, any proof I give you in an online forum you will not believe. Go find it! Or don't. And keep arguing about your disbelief online.

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(April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am)futilethewinds Wrote: Hey, everyone, True Believers™ do not get raped!

True. Crack open the Bible and see what Christians believe why don't you. Every verse while your at it.

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(April 7, 2013 at 8:53 am)MysticKnight Wrote: So you disagree with the premise that earning praiseworthiness is more worthy than just having praiseworthiness without earning it?

Yes, if praisworthiness is a gift from God, then it is much more valuable and praisworthy than anything of earth. For the third time.

(April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: No. I like how you are so fond of twisting things though.

where?!

Quote:Again, any proof I give you in an online forum you will not believe.

Did you actualy read what you wrote in the sentence before?
Anyway, prove that blind assertion of yours or simply show your aleged proof. I will read through whatever you may give, and I will only not see it as truth if it isnt truth.

Quote:Go find it! Or don't. And keep arguing about your disbelief online.

So now that you find yourself cornered you are starting to become pushy?

(April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: Yes, if praisworthiness is a gift from God, then it is much more valuable and praisworthy than anything of earth. For the third time.

Ok I just wanted to know where you disagreed. Because in the beginning, you agreed with the premise 1 and premise 2 but disagreed with the conclusion that necessarily follows.

(April 7, 2013 at 8:41 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote:

(April 7, 2013 at 8:23 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Which word would that be?

The one where he commands that a rape victim marries her attacker?

Or that some-one who works on a Sunday be stoned to death?

What about the one where god kills all of the Egyptian children because Pharaoh won't release the jews even though god has caused Pharaoh not to(by hardening his heart)?

Or that bats are actually birds and not mammals as those evil scientists would have you believe?

Hmm.. There is this little thing.. What was that called again? Oh yes!! The New Covenant, written of in the New Testament. Surely you have heard of it? I admit the OT is harsh, and I'm glad that I don't live in those times. I don't pretend to understand the mind or will of God, but I am thankful that things changed. God is the Creator of life, so it is his to give and take away. Surely I can see that it was a harsh punishment, and yes, God did harden pharaoh's heart. He made and example out of him and egypt after he put to death every infant isrealite boy. The Isrealites were chosen by God as His favored people because Abraham was just enough in those horrific times to be righteous and live as Godly of a life as he could. So don't play sympathy on pharaoh when pharaoh struck the first murderous blow by killing all of the jew's infants. And what difference does it make if bats are birds or mammals? I don't care. And I certainly never referred to scientists as evil, now did I?

These are the commandments of your perfect god.

Instead of telling people to be nice to each other he tells them to rape, kill and torture.

Your god is a psychopathic lunatic.

And don't tell me he changed his mind because he is supposed to be perfect.

And as to the bats? it is very pertinent because he also appears to fail in having basic knowledge about his own fucking creation.

(April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote:

(April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am)futilethewinds Wrote: Hey, everyone, True Believers™ do not get raped!

True. Crack open the Bible and see what Christians believe why don't you. Every verse while your at it.

Oh, please tell me where in the Bible it says True Believers™ don't get raped. I would love to see it.

(April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: True. Crack open the Bible and see what Christians believe why don't you. Every verse while your at it.

I have read the bible, and having read it is part of the reason I am not a believer today.

(April 7, 2013 at 8:59 am)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: No. I like how you are so fond of twisting things though.

where?!,

Didnt you change my comment about me attesting to miracles but you most likely not believing what I have to say into your version of it where I had no evidence and therefore tried clever wording to trick you or something? That's twisting my words.

Quote:Again, any proof I give you in an online forum you will not believe.

Did you actualy read what you wrote in the sentence before?
Anyway, prove that blind assertion of yours or simply show your aleged proof. I will read through whatever you may give, and I will only not see it as truth if it isnt truth.

I said read the bible or just use your Google search engine to see what comes up for extra biblical evidence. Beyond that you must go out to the places where miracles are taking place such as a revival and see them for yourself. I don't believe that I can post anything online that you will find any more credible than.what your search engine will lead you too. And you have a predisposition against the existence of God, so how can I prove to you that anything I give you or anything you read on the matter is true? Beyond that how can I prove the existence of God over a website?

Quote:Go find it! Or don't. And keep arguing about your disbelief online.

So now that you find yourself cornered you are starting to become pushy?

I am not intending to be pushy, and so I apologize. But again, wouldn't it make more sense for you to see for yourself what I speak of rather than argue about my ability or lack thereof to provide you with evidence that you will take as true and credible? I apologize again, sometimes I get ahead of myself and I sort of say things and hit post before fully thinking about it. But do you disagree with my statement? It makes more sense for you to find the evidence than it does for a complete stranger to provide you with.evidence that you have.no idea how credible the source is.

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(April 7, 2013 at 9:07 am)futilethewinds Wrote:

(April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: True. Crack open the Bible and see what Christians believe why don't you. Every verse while your at it.

Oh, please tell me where in the Bible it says True Believers™ don't get raped. I would love to see it.

I'm sure you know it doesn't say that. Read Psalm chapter 91. That is true. For men and women and children and any who believe. I apologize here for sounding so rude. It is not my intention to be.

(April 7, 2013 at 9:13 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: I am not intending to be pushy, and so I apologize. But again, wouldn't it make more sense for you to see for yourself what I speak of rather than argue about my ability or lack thereof to provide you with evidence that you will take as true and credible?

And if that was you possition in the first place wouldnt it make more sence not to open a thread in which you demand evidence for the non existance of god in the first place?

Quote: I apologize again, sometimes I get ahead of myself and I sort of say things and hit post before fully thinking about it. But do you disagree with my statement? It makes more sense for you to find the evidence than it does for a complete stranger to provide you with.evidence that you have.no idea how credible the source is.

You demanded evidence first! To then simply state that you are not required to give any is just cowerdly.

I have no problem with your beliefs, but when you know that you cannot prove them and then still think that the others have to prove their beliefs or non beliefs to you, whilest you say you have proof, although you have non since you dont give any, that is simply hypocritical.

(April 7, 2013 at 9:18 am)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(April 7, 2013 at 9:13 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: I am not intending to be pushy, and so I apologize. But again, wouldn't it make more sense for you to see for yourself what I speak of rather than argue about my ability or lack thereof to provide you with evidence that you will take as true and credible?

And if that was you possition in the first place wouldnt it make more sence not to open a thread in which you demand evidence for the non existance of god in the first place?

Quote: I apologize again, sometimes I get ahead of myself and I sort of say things and hit post before fully thinking about it. But do you disagree with my statement? It makes more sense for you to find the evidence than it does for a complete stranger to provide you with.evidence that you have.no idea how credible the source is.

You demanded evidence first! To then simply state that you are not required to give any is just cowerdly.

I have no problem with your beliefs, but when you know that you cannot prove them and then still think that the others have to prove their beliefs or non beliefs to you, whilest you say you have proof, although you have non since you dont give any, that is simply hypocritical.

I said I believe it can be proven if you will seek the proof, not that I had irrefutable proof to give you. The purpose of this thread was to hear everyone's proof either for or against God. Not to demand proof for the non existence of God. You surely read my opening post?

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(April 7, 2013 at 8:59 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: Yes, if praisworthiness is a gift from God, then it is much more valuable and praisworthy than anything of earth. For the third time.

Ok I just wanted to know where you disagreed. Because in the beginning, you agreed with the premise 1 and premise 2 but disagreed with the conclusion that necessarily follows.

Do you see my line of reasoning though?

(April 7, 2013 at 9:21 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: I said I believe it can be proven if you will seek the proof.

Do you not remember my comment in this thread:

If an individual strives hard enough to discover something that is not there, he will eventually convince himself that it is there. That is the only way for believers to have faith. They must delude themselves into believing that a god does exist. Rather sad, actually.

Do you honestly believe that is a healthy way to live?