Ever since I left behind god and religion I gave up pathological lying: claiming or truly thinking things are true to ONE'S understanding but applied to reality it is clearly false.

If You were to have surgery on your leg and You were given a choice: a qualified surgeon or a dedicated priest, who would You pick?

If You think god can make the priest not fuck up your leg then go ahead. The surgeon has experience on this matter, though!

(June 7, 2013 at 10:23 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(June 7, 2013 at 4:12 am)enrico Wrote: You got something in common with the atheists.
Both of you have lock yourselves in the corral of dogmas.
Once you enter the corral everything get more and more complicated.
Spirituality is very very simple to understand but because you make your life far too complicated into believing in something that does not make sense then you are prevented to understand the simple things in life.
You as a religious person believe in something that is not truth and an atheist into believing something that is the last transformation of pure mind into matter also find impossible to go back where everything started from.
Anyway now that you know you should become a closer friend with your atheist neighbors.
Their corral is not that far from yours.

Asking for evidence is not dogmatic

Please point out to what you are referring.

Quote:neither is lacking a belief in deities.

I already stated that i do not believe in Jesus, Buddha or other as saviors sent by God.
The only savior is yourself and the divine entity is within.
Lacking a belief in deities is not a dogma however is a dogma believing that this physical-material dimension is all there is.
It is like to say that there is no gold under ground when you never attempt to dig up the soil.
You can say that you are not interested in finding out something but you can not say that that thing does not exist.

Quote:Please desist in the sleight of hand re-branding of positions held by those who disagree with your sentiments/feelings/emotions/beliefs.

A forum is a place in which people gather to discuss all sort of things.
At least it was in the roman time.
When i enter this forum i noted a lot of words bashing and swearing.
Now you may say that is not you and that is ok but if you really care about correctness then i invite you to read some of the posts and not only those from the Minimalist and then come back to me so we can discuss the problem.

Quote:Just because you believe what you're saying doesn't mean any of us have to agree or additionally follow them. Implying that we're wrong using nothing more than your own belief is circular, and can hence be (rightly) disregarded.

Actually my information are based on practical experience not by reading books written and rewritten hundreds of times like the bible (religion) or based only on what the the physical science say (physical reality).
Now when you think that i implying that you are wrong to me is like to judge that guy that say that there is no gold to be found under the ground when he never attempt to dig the soil.
If you say that God does not exist when you never attempt to dig within is a bit too ambitious.

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(June 8, 2013 at 9:38 am)little_monkey Wrote: When God said this or God said that, how's the voice? Does it sound like Morgan Freeman or Whoopi Goldberg?

Actually you should ask this question to religious people who think that they can interpret God by reading books written 2000 years ago and rewritten hundreds of times..
As someone who follow spirituality i am not interested in wasting my time into trying to search a possible truth in these books.
I prefer to bring the hidden part of the spiritual iceberg to the surface in order to complete the long journey from the small to the big and be part of that big.

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(June 8, 2013 at 9:43 am)Walking Void Wrote: Ever since I left behind god and religion I gave up pathological lying: claiming or truly thinking things are true to ONE'S understanding but applied to reality it is clearly false.

If You were to have surgery on your leg and You were given a choice: a qualified surgeon or a dedicated priest, who would You pick?

If You think god can make the priest not fuck up your leg then go ahead. The surgeon has experience on this matter, though!

I appreciated your practicality but what this has got to do with the thread?

The last page.

Quote:Actually the Buddha was referring to the unnecessary things that people carry with them but as a spiritual teaching it clearly refer to the attitude of someone who want to advance spiritually and at the same time does not want to get rid of materialistic desires.

Oh, another of those "symbolic" v "literal" distinctions that theists always seem to make.

I see.

(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote:

(June 8, 2013 at 9:38 am)little_monkey Wrote: When God said this or God said that, how's the voice? Does it sound like Morgan Freeman or Whoopi Goldberg?

Actually you should ask this question to religious people who think that they can interpret God by reading books written 2000 years ago and rewritten hundreds of times..
As someone who follow spirituality i am not interested in wasting my time into trying to search a possible truth in these books.
I prefer to bring the hidden part of the spiritual iceberg to the surface in order to complete the long journey from the small to the big and be part of that big.

Ok, define spirituality.

(June 8, 2013 at 1:30 pm)little_monkey Wrote:

(June 8, 2013 at 10:17 am)enrico Wrote: Actually you should ask this question to religious people who think that they can interpret God by reading books written 2000 years ago and rewritten hundreds of times..
As someone who follow spirituality i am not interested in wasting my time into trying to search a possible truth in these books.
I prefer to bring the hidden part of the spiritual iceberg to the surface in order to complete the long journey from the small to the big and be part of that big.

Ok, define spirituality.

When a drop of water merge into the ocean she will become the ocean herself.
At the same time when the spirit within will merge in the cosmic consciousness (God) then you will become God yourself.
So spirituality is the effort to merge yourself into the vast ocean of cosmic consciousness.
How you do?
By practicing yoga and i mean the real yoga (tantric meditation, exercises, veg diet, fasting ect).
Spirituality is not the only way to reach the ultimate goal of life but is the most practical.

(June 8, 2013 at 11:01 am)Minimalist Wrote: Oh, another of those "symbolic" v "literal" distinctions that theists always seem to make.

I see.

The Buddha used allegories and his original teachings are agnostic. It's only when unenlightened people fucked with them later on that Gods started to make their appearance.

What the Buddha taught can be understood and practiced without any reference to supernatural bullshit.

(June 9, 2013 at 6:31 am)enrico Wrote: When a drop of water merge into the ocean she will become the ocean herself.

You are talking about real, proven objects there, and your summary seems fair enough.

Quote:At the same time when the spirit within will merge in the cosmic consciousness (God) then you will become God yourself.

You are now trying to apply the same logic to two not real, unproven objects, and your summary of their relationship/interaction is fucking moot, mate.

Quote:So spirituality is the effort to merge yourself into the vast ocean of cosmic consciousness.
How you do?
By practicing yoga and i mean the real yoga (tantric meditation, exercises, veg diet, fasting ect).
Spirituality is not the only way to reach the ultimate goal of life but is the most practical.

As this is all extrapolated from your assertation that spirits and god are real, which you have not begun to prove, then it is all waffle and shite.

Prove the reality of your spirit and of god first, then lay your theory out.

(June 9, 2013 at 6:42 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:

(June 9, 2013 at 6:31 am)enrico Wrote: When a drop of water merge into the ocean she will become the ocean herself.

You are talking about real, proven objects there, and your summary seems fair enough.

Quote:At the same time when the spirit within will merge in the cosmic consciousness (God) then you will become God yourself.

You are now trying to apply the same logic to two not real, unproven objects, and your summary of their relationship/interaction is fucking moot, mate.

Unproven to you not to me.
Again you guys refuse to leave the corral of dogma in which you decided on your own free will to enter and stay.
I repeat once again.......the only way to find out if gold exist underground is to dig.
If you refuse to dig and then claim that nothing is there then you have no right to state that nothing is there.
When you say.......NOT REAL..... you already state that nothing is there therefore you procrastinate your stay in the corral of dogmas.

Quote:So spirituality is the effort to merge yourself into the vast ocean of cosmic consciousness.
How you do?
By practicing yoga and i mean the real yoga (tantric meditation, exercises, veg diet, fasting ect).
Spirituality is not the only way to reach the ultimate goal of life but is the most practical.

Quote:As this is all extrapolated from your assertation that spirits and god are real, which you have not begun to prove, then it is all waffle and shite. Prove the reality of your spirit and of god first, then lay your theory out

I have done the effort to dig into my subconscious by practicing spirituality.
In this way the spirit within merge like the part of the iceberg that lie under the water.
The connection between you and the cosmic consciousness (God) is therefore more and more evident.
It is fair enough that everyone will have to make this effort in order to find out for themselves.
You are free to procrastinate your time into the corral of dogmas while other will feel the need to go back home where we all belong.


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Meaningless waffle.

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