(July 5, 2013 at 3:44 am)LeoVonFrost Wrote:

(July 5, 2013 at 3:35 am)cato123 Wrote: You just proved my point.

You just proved my point.

This is a version of the 'I'm rubber, you're glue...' defense.

(July 5, 2013 at 3:39 am)Ivy Wrote: There's an empty table. You say there's an apple on it. I see no apple. Why the fuck should I prove there is no apple? I don't see it. I don't feel it. I can't hear it rolling around if you fake you pushed it. I can't touch it, taste it, or smell it. You prove it's there. Duh.

Because I have a gun to your head and will shoot unless you prove it.

(July 4, 2013 at 11:59 pm)LeoVonFrost Wrote: How do you respond do a deist asking you to prove there is no god? It is our belief that there is no such thing, but to the contrary proving a negative is impossible, right? How does one be a completely rational athiest? Hitchens showed me what is wrong with religion, something I already knew, a suffering and pain of humans that spans beyond human imagination. Dawkins taught me that when he said we are 99.99% correct in our disbelief according to the evidence that is enough to believe, but I am wondering about that small percentage, as a rationalist. The 0.0infinity-1% is relevant. Do you consider yourself a true believer? A true believer in knowing there is no god, trusting in the obvious reality of the simple moment of your life like a tightrope walker attempting to convert those that have become infected with the sick disease of disbelief.

You may believe this is dualistic rhetoric from a false prophet with a godless complex. However These are the questions that haunt me while I walk hills and flatlands, mountains and rivers, and any help from my human kind is welcome with open arms, for I know that it is just you, not a puppet master trying to clean up a mess of tangled spider web strings with a sunly(sic) sacrifice for the appeasement of his own sins (Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy -Matthew 5:7 and Deuteronomy 4:31 For the lord your god is a merciful god and therefore he shall performing erotic asphyxiation and blast his holy load on the face of humanity...)

Have you ever played monkey island?

(July 4, 2013 at 11:59 pm)LeoVonFrost Wrote: How do you respond do a deist asking you to prove there is no god?

I would admit that I cannot prove that there is no god.

Quote:With all due respect, abandoning intellect for self-contentedness is the epitome of lazy stupidity and is the furthest thing away from the scientific method, you can only succeed in science with sufferage and sacrifice, quite the same as religion, only with different results.

Wow you really don't get it do you. Practicality matters in the real world. Every second there's someone out there claiming something. They are the ones who have to convince people that what they're claiming is worth anyone's time. No one is obligated to go check out their claims. God is not worth my time, because its chance of existing is so very very slim. For all intents and purposes it might as well not exist.

Who's abandoning intellect here? This is absurd. If i were to devote my time to go search for this god i'm abandoning tons of things that i'm doing right now. Why should god be more important? when there's no proof at all that this thing is more than a human imagination?

In fact I don't even know why people bother to call themselves agnostic. I don't even know why dawkins came up with a 7 point scale. These things are not worth the time. Well at least no one has convinced me that it's worth the time to consider god exists.

And by the way, that is how research works in this world. Not every project gets funded, because there's limited resources. You have to write a proposal and convince people to spend money on your project. So now i guess all those who wants us to take god seriously must convince us that it's not a waste of time.

(July 5, 2013 at 10:30 am)Tonus Wrote:

(July 4, 2013 at 11:59 pm)LeoVonFrost Wrote: How do you respond do a deist asking you to prove there is no god?

I would admit that I cannot prove that there is no god.

You can't prove that there are no invisible pink unicorns drinking margaritas at a Tiajuana Bar on Mardi Gras, either. What do you suppose the probabilities are, though?

For a god claim to even be worth investigating, it must first past the smell test. I have yet to come across one that does. Perhaps the deist argument is the closest. Not because of any ring of truth mind you, but because it emits no odor at all.

(July 5, 2013 at 12:26 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You can't prove that there are no invisible pink unicorns drinking margaritas at a Tiajuana Bar on Mardi Gras, either. What do you suppose the probabilities are, though?

About the same. The unicorns sound like a heck of a lot more fun, though.

Just to expand on my earlier comment-- sometimes questions like that in the OP are best answered in as short and direct a manner as possible. It's not as if we haven't been challenged to "prove god does not exist" many times on forums like this. And the simple fact is that we can't prove it. But I think that theists sometimes presume that my inability to disprove god is somehow my problem. And it isn't.

If he really does exist, god is free to reveal himself to me in a direct and unambiguous manner any time it pleases him. And if it doesn't please him, I can no longer be bothered to give a shit. If he isn't interested in proving that he exists, I'm too busy browsing the comment section on Youtube to help him with that.

Even in court, one does not attempt to prove that someone is innocent so much as one attempts to prove that one is guilty.

Innocent until proven guilty, after all.

The same logic works for god. He does not exist until he can be proven to exist. Thousands of years of human civilization, and still there is no proof of god's existence.

The problem is the fucked up mindset of the "believer." (And it doesn't matter what the belief is... it could be jesus, space aliens or bigfoot.) They begin from the presumption that their bullshit is true and they are so invested in it that no amount of evidence will dissuade them.