(July 19, 2013 at 10:41 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: well i dont know how the way i look has anything to do with anything or who looks older, hell i wish i looked older because im young and i got some decent ideas and people hate me for em... you realize that if religion and atheism could both admit that they didn't know if a god or gods existed there would be peace and all of this fighting would be replaced with people fucking?

what are you doing tonight? im arguing about beliefs when i could be having sex...

Well it doesn't really matter. I knew guys back when I was 25 that were the exact same age as me but looked 35 or even older.

Is there a reason you will keep avoiding telling me how old you are?

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(July 19, 2013 at 10:41 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: you realize that if religion and atheism could both admit that they didn't know if a god or gods existed there would be peace...

About 90% of atheists (ballpark guess) are agnostic atheists. Which means we don't know if a god or gods exist. And we readily admit it. I'm one of those 90%.

Too bad the theists can't meet us halfway.

nope im 27.

is there any reason why you claim to be an atheist and have a quote under your name that says "I say Fuck the man in the sky!" when you claim to not believe in a god or gods?

atheism = "I do not believe in a god or gods." is not the same as "I don't have any belief in the subject of whether a god or gods exists."

(July 19, 2013 at 10:53 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: atheism = "I do not believe in a god or gods." is not the same as "I don't have any belief in the subject of whether a god or gods exists."

It's literally the same f'ing thing, just put in fancier words.

(July 19, 2013 at 11:05 pm)wwjs Wrote:

(July 19, 2013 at 10:53 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: atheism = "I do not believe in a god or gods." is not the same as "I don't have any belief in the subject of whether a god or gods exists."

It's literally the same f'ing thing, just put in fancier words.

No, the first is atheism, the second is agnosticism.

thank you for clarifying Chas.

there is a big difference between the two ideas.

(July 19, 2013 at 11:07 pm)Chas Wrote: No, the first is atheism, the second is agnosticism.

If you don't have any belief then you don't believe.

(July 19, 2013 at 9:36 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: nah i aint feeling bad for myself, i can admit that i don't know whether a god or gods exist, i feel bad for you.

Wonderful. Another holier than thou agnostic.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

Oh and where the fuck does evolution and the Big Bang figure into this again?

no see, agnosticism is acknowledging they dont know, the wikipedia definition is really good. i like agnostic thinkers, i would consider myself one.

atheists do have a belief on an unknown subject.

the difference is this

"i do not believe in a god or gods" could be motivated by a hate for god or gods

"i do not have any belief in the subject of whether or not there is a god or gods" is admitting you don't know and that we do not have the means to know at this time.

huge difference.

(July 19, 2013 at 11:20 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: no see, agnosticism is acknowledging they dont know, the wikipedia definition is really good. i like agnostic thinkers, i would consider myself one.

atheists do have a belief on an unknown subject.

the difference is this

"i do not believe in a god or gods" could be motivated by a hate for god or gods

"i do not have any belief in the subject of whether or not there is a god or gods" is admitting you don't know and that we do not have the means to know at this time.

huge difference.

I don't know if a teapot is orbiting around Jupiter. Although I can't prove that it's not orbiting, there's no evidence that it is so I say that I don't believe in it. That makes me ateapotist. If you ask me if I can prove that it's not orbiting Jupiter I'll say that I can't so I'm agnostic ateapotist.

you still have a conclusion (belief or disbelief) in your ideology of something untestable.

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agnostic atheist is oxymoronic

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somebody that believes in god(s) and hates them would try to make those two the same thing, they are very much different ideas.