(July 10, 2013 at 10:55 pm)BettyG Wrote: What I dislike about atheism is that it requires one to reject reality.

Please, proceed to tell us more about the magic you believe actually happens.

Quote:You have to deny history.

You would need to provide evidence of miracles in history. From non-biased accounts, for which there can be no better explanation.

Quote:You have to deny that God acts in this world today.

No, you have to demonstrate it.

Quote:You have to deny that science has limits.

When you remember that you just posted this on a device forged from scientific understanding, powered by a natural force that science discovered and learned the rules thereof, and transmitted through yet a third technology developed through science, all the while being alive because medical and agricultural science allows you to stay healthy and well fed, you will understand how ungrateful and myopic you sound when you dismiss science because it doesn't know everything yet.

Quote:You have to have faith that you cannot know truth.

No no, you have to be honest enough not to profess absolute certainty in everything. You know what that's called? Keeping an open goddamn mind.

Quote: You have to believe everything is relative.

Protip: don't tell us what we believe. We'll tell you.

Quote: You have to start with the assumption of skepticism of things that are common sense and logical.

You demonstrated that these things are logical... how?

Quote: You have to believe that this incredibly complex universe is just an accident. This is totally irrational.

Which is why nobody but Mr. Strawman believes that.

Quote: It is as if atheists start with a conclusion that God does not exist, and then work backward to make reality fit their conclusion.

Sorry, lemme just go and fix my irony meter. It just exploded. People got hurt.

Quote:If Jesus did not exist, there would have been multiple people would would object and set the record straight.

Do you often see historical records espousing on all the things that weren't present at any given time? "The year is 03 AD, and there aren't any dragons. Nor are there leprechauns. End communication."

On the flipside, what we don't see, are any historical records that noted that Jesus did exist...

Quote:The early Church fathers like Irenaeus loved to stamp out heresy. They would have jumped on this with a vengeance. This "Jesus is a myth" myth started in the 1800's. It is not like the Christians didn't have enough time to refute Christ's existence. It would have been refuted by the second century.

Yes, you can always rely on the credulous to refute the stories that are only aiding their cause. That's absolutely true.

(June 10, 2013 at 4:38 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 10, 2013 at 1:21 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Well was he ever dead? what school did the doctor who pronounced him dead go to? was he having an off day?

If someone who you think is dead gets up. The chances are they weren't dead.

The Roman soldiers who crucified people were experts at their jobs, they would have never allowed Jesus off that cross if they did not know He was dead. It would have cost them their lives, it is told to us that when the spear was run through His side a mix of blood and water poured out, Jesus had bleed out and pouring out bodily fluids. Again the Romans were proficient at crucifying people, they would break the legs of those still alive after a certain amount of time so they would suffocate shortly after that. They did not do that to Jesus, as prophecy foretold, they knew He was dead.

The Roman soldiers were bribed ?

Ephisians 2:8 - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--

Definition of faith: - b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof.

God/Jesus perform miracles thus providing proof of his exsitence.

It then follows that Faith is no longer possible.

Therefore no one can be saved by faith.

Checkmate theist!

(July 14, 2013 at 3:04 pm)Regens Küchl Wrote:

(June 10, 2013 at 4:38 pm)Godschild Wrote: The Roman soldiers who crucified people were experts at their jobs, they would have never allowed Jesus off that cross if they did not know He was dead. It would have cost them their lives, it is told to us that when the spear was run through His side a mix of blood and water poured out, Jesus had bleed out and pouring out bodily fluids. Again the Romans were proficient at crucifying people, they would break the legs of those still alive after a certain amount of time so they would suffocate shortly after that. They did not do that to Jesus, as prophecy foretold, they knew He was dead.

The Roman soldiers were bribed ?

By whom?

(July 11, 2013 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: No one survived crucifixion, that was why they were crucified. You peers gave up on this argument long ago, you need to keep up.

No one survived hanging either, that's why they were hung. Except some people did survive hangings.

Amazing how idiotic Xtains can make such morons of themselves not admitting to leaks in their sieve like myth of their god boy.

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(July 15, 2013 at 1:15 am)Godschild Wrote:

(July 14, 2013 at 3:04 pm)Regens Küchl Wrote: The Roman soldiers were bribed ?

By whom?

By anyone who might not want the crucified to be dead?

Allegedly there were a few of these.

A miracle is just an act of nature that hasn't been explained or solved yet. I'm an epileptic. 2000 years ago people would have called me possessed by Satan and probably killed me. Today I take pills to help.

Just because you can't explain something doesn't mean some supernatural being did it. I'll bet you anything that Jesus would have said an airplane was a massive chariot being carried by angels or demons.

You can't give blind faith to something. Believe that everything can be explained, eventually. Don't label what is not yet explained as "supernatural". And you can't believe that everything written in the Bible is true. There's a shitload of inconsistencies and errors. If it is the word of god, then he is one messed up dude.

Analyze things with a fine-toothed comb. Balance the facts. Don't just believe in something just because one or two things can't be explained. You can't call the Bible a book of facts. It really is messed up. Best of luck!

(July 15, 2013 at 4:31 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote:

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A miracle is just an act of nature that hasn't been explained or solved yet. I'm an epileptic. 2000 years ago people would have called me possessed by Satan and probably killed me. Today I take pills to help.

Just because you can't explain something doesn't mean some supernatural being did it. I'll bet you anything that Jesus would have said an airplane was a massive chariot being carried by angels or demons.

You can't give blind faith to something. Believe that everything can be explained, eventually. Don't label what is not yet explained as "supernatural". And you can't believe that everything written in the Bible is true. There's a shitload of inconsistencies and errors. If it is the word of god, then he is one messed up dude.

Analyze things with a fine-toothed comb. Balance the facts. Don't just believe in something just because one or two things can't be explained. You can't call the Bible a book of facts. It really is messed up. Best of luck!

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I've read the Bible and studied it and continue to till this day, I accept what it says and what is offered through it by Christ, salvation.

Quote:I accept what it says and what is offered through it by Christ, salvation.

In other words, you believe that you have to save your own skin from hell you're told you deserve. It's the indisputably and absolutely self-centered impetus driving virtually every Christian on earth.

(July 16, 2013 at 2:49 am)Godschild Wrote: I've read the Bible and studied it and continue to till this day, I accept what it says and what is offered through it by Christ, salvation.

One wonders what useful things might have been done had someone put a biology textbook, or a novel, or something worthwhile in your hands instead.

(July 16, 2013 at 3:02 am)Ryantology Wrote:

Quote:I accept what it says and what is offered through it by Christ, salvation.

In other words, you believe that you have to save your own skin from hell you're told you deserve. It's the indisputably and absolutely self-centered impetus driving virtually every Christian on earth.

Not true. Good deeds are a response to faith. We do them, not just because God commanded us to or that God will reward them, but because we are grateful for what God has done. Doing charitable works helps us to grow in virtue. One cannot say one is kind unless one does kind acts. Same for patience, prudence, justice, etc. You really can't say you have faith in God and then not do what He commanded.