(July 21, 2013 at 9:33 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(July 21, 2013 at 9:21 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: If I can win white points, I've always despised "$race-power" people.

Yes, that includes gays and blacks when they have their "gay power", "black power" and any combination.

So do I, but the problem is you have people like A Theist that think the solution is to scream "white power."

That's a lie. You don't know what I think. Just because I push back at being maligned and demonized by racist activists and bigoted anti-white radicals for having white skin doesn't mean I'm advocating "white power".

(July 21, 2013 at 10:09 am)plaincents822 Wrote: I couldn't agree more. It is a traditionally left wing concept to trash black conservatives as sell outs which to me has an implication of greater racism than many liberals believe they are capable of. To say that a black man is an Uncle Tom because his views don't match up with those of the majority of black people is to insinuate that black people are incapable of individual thought and only capable of being part of a hive mind. I've even heard libs say that they are not REAL black people. What's a real black person? !?! Seriously?!?! And to take the point further I have heard that exact same argument used against Log Cabin Republicans.

Except, the left-wing position is more nuanced than "black people who deviate from most black people are not real black people". Black people who favor the Republican party are not confusing because they are not part of some hive-think. They are confusing because conservatives in this country have been the driving force behind every single attempt to discriminate, disenfranchise, enslave, belittle and segregate. Conservatives represent nothing which is of benefit to any person who is not rich and white. Conservatives accept black people as equal human beings only begrudgingly. So yeah, it makes no sense why any black person in America would ever vote for people who make little effort to hide the fact that they are black people's worst political enemies and it is not racist to question the motives behind this behavior.

But, then again, it's kind of hard to imagine why anybody who isn't part of the rich, white plutocracy would ever vote for candidates who care only for the interests of the rich, white plutocracy. They understand this, which is why the GOP platform appeals to screaming racist working-class whites such as A Theist.

A Theist,

I previously replied with a quote and movie clip in an attempt to demonstrate the absurdity of your argument. You chose to respond with clips of your own. Your clips indicate that you are using a 'they do it also' defense. The last time I had to consider this argument was fifteen years ago when my eleven year old son implicated his eight year old sister; not as an accomplice, but someone that had also independently committed the deed. This manner of defense didn't work then, it certainly doesn't work now.

(July 21, 2013 at 10:10 pm)cato123 Wrote: A Theist,

I previously replied with a quote and movie clip in an attempt to demonstrate the absurdity of your argument. You chose to respond with clips of your own. Your clips indicate that you are using a 'they do it also' defense. The last time I had to consider this argument was fifteen years ago when my eleven year old son implicated his eight year old sister; not as an accomplice, but someone that had also independently committed the deed. This manner of defense didn't work then, it certainly doesn't work now.

Quote:Your clips indicate that you are using a 'they do it also' defense.

No. As I said before, I'm just pushing back at being maligned and demonized by racist activists and bigoted anti-white radicals for being white. The other group that your side victimizes are black conservatives, calling them sell outs and uncle toms and a few other derogatory choice names. What you seem to be conveying is that it's okay for blacks to be racist against whites, but it's not okay when whites push back at being maligned. You definitely carry the double standard banner of the leftwing proudly.

(July 21, 2013 at 9:48 pm)wwjs Wrote:

Quote:After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-rea...00529.html
When was the last time you heard a politician talking about this?

Are you suggesting that those statistics are due to racism, not socio-economic factors?

(July 21, 2013 at 9:48 pm)wwjs Wrote: That's exactly what I've been talking about. Any "colored" organization = fine. White organization = racist.

That's because those white organizations advocate stomping anything non-white with their big, black boots.

Besides, minority organizations are acceptible when they work as a mechanism to pool their resources in a system that wasn't designed with their needs in mind. White people have no such need.

(July 21, 2013 at 10:36 pm)A Theist Wrote: As I said before, I'm just pushing back at being maligned and demonized by racist activists and bigoted anti-white radicals for being white.

I know, right? I mean, I can't turn on the television without seeing some black guy telling me to go back to the country my people originallly came from.

(July 21, 2013 at 10:36 pm)A Theist Wrote: The other group that your side victimizes are black conservatives, calling them sell outs and uncle toms and a few other derogatory choice names.

Which isn't right, but you didn't start a thread about how you think black conservatives should be treated equally, did you?

(July 21, 2013 at 10:36 pm)A Theist Wrote: What you seem to be conveying is that it's okay for blacks to be racist against whites, but it's not okay when whites push back at being maligned. You definitely carry the double standard banner of the leftwing proudly.

That's not what anyone's saying. What we're saying is that your "pushing back" is anti-pragmatic and comes across as petty bitching that furthers the problems this country has with race, just as much of the attitude of the Al Sharpton's do. Notice how you didn't start a thread about equality, nor did you say that we need to have a serious discussion to truly eliminate these issues. You just started crying about reverse racism and how you think whites should "push back."

Congratulations. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

(July 21, 2013 at 8:45 pm)festive1 Wrote: Now a "few thousand" is more than 5, but significantly less than what you are thinking, A Theist.
Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

So a completly insignificant small little group at a political fringe is used by a significant group of the opposite political fringe to justify being on the political fringe?

(July 21, 2013 at 9:12 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(July 21, 2013 at 8:45 pm)festive1 Wrote: Yeah...
Now a "few thousand" is more than 5, but significantly less than what you are thinking, A Theist.
Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

How do you know what I was thinking sugar pie?

Considere this: Even if you still live in 1954, this does not justify treating those who firmly chose to live in 2013 as if they also live in 1954.

(July 21, 2013 at 9:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Perhaps TGAC can tell us how to say that in the original German?

There arn`t really that many black people in Germany and never were.
Those who lived there between 1933-1945 were forced into being excebition subjects for the nazis to show how black people were infirior.
The main discrimination coming from the state and private institutions of nazi germany was directed against jews, advocats of democracy, gypsies, communists and ethnic slavic people.

But yeah, I remember now that almoust every single black soldier in British, French or American service who was captured alive was not kept as prisoner but emidiatly executed by the Wehrmacht. 40 000 black soldiers under French command from the what use to be French colonies, who were captured alive, were murdered during the invasion of France alone. But for some reason you dont read that much about colored soldiers during WW2 and are required to do your own research.

(July 21, 2013 at 9:12 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(July 21, 2013 at 8:45 pm)festive1 Wrote: Yeah...
Now a "few thousand" is more than 5, but significantly less than what you are thinking, A Theist.
Source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

How do you know what I was thinking sugar pie?

So you're legitimately terrified of a "few thousand" Black Panthers? You realize that number is likely inflated, as per the Wiki article. How paranoid are you???

It's estimated that that the Ku Klux Klan has between 5,000 - 8,000 members. Should we not worry about them either? Because the impression that I seem to be getting is that we don't have to worry about hate groups as long as they have low numbers. Everyone seems to be getting caught up on black vs white but let me put a little perspective on things.

New Black Panther Party: Anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-gay
Nation of Islam: Anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-gay

Ku Klux Klan: Anti-black, anti-semitic, anti-gay
Aryan Nation: Anti-black, anti-semitic, anti-gay

You know, all in all, they seem pretty similar to me.

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(July 21, 2013 at 9:57 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

(July 21, 2013 at 10:09 am)plaincents822 Wrote: I couldn't agree more. It is a traditionally left wing concept to trash black conservatives as sell outs which to me has an implication of greater racism than many liberals believe they are capable of. To say that a black man is an Uncle Tom because his views don't match up with those of the majority of black people is to insinuate that black people are incapable of individual thought and only capable of being part of a hive mind. I've even heard libs say that they are not REAL black people. What's a real black person? !?! Seriously?!?! And to take the point further I have heard that exact same argument used against Log Cabin Republicans.

Except, the left-wing position is more nuanced than "black people who deviate from most black people are not real black people". Black people who favor the Republican party are not confusing because they are not part of some hive-think. They are confusing because conservatives in this country have been the driving force behind every single attempt to discriminate, disenfranchise, enslave, belittle and segregate. Conservatives represent nothing which is of benefit to any person who is not rich and white. Conservatives accept black people as equal human beings only begrudgingly. So yeah, it makes no sense why any black person in America would ever vote for people who make little effort to hide the fact that they are black people's worst political enemies and it is not racist to question the motives behind this behavior.

But, then again, it's kind of hard to imagine why anybody who isn't part of the rich, white plutocracy would ever vote for candidates who care only for the interests of the rich, white plutocracy. They understand this, which is why the GOP platform appeals to screaming racist working-class whites such as A Theist.

As a white dude, I have the privilege of being able to denounce my whiteness and other white people. And trust me, I really love hating on other white people. But are we really going to refuse to extend that privilege to the black community? It really doesn't matter if it makes sense or not for them to do so, they should have the right to criticize black people the same as I would criticize white people.

Quote:New Black Panther Party: Anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-gay
Nation of Islam: Anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-gay

Ku Klux Klan: Anti-black, anti-semitic, anti-gay
Aryan Nation: Anti-black, anti-semitic, anti-gay

Similar? Then why don't they come together under a single banner? When I say the same for leftists, people generally call me lovely names, though none can deny that leftist all around the world are by default, fighting for the same cause, while nationalists often fight for opposite causes.