(August 3, 2013 at 6:10 pm)Red Celt Wrote:

(August 3, 2013 at 5:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: Nothing wrong with a debate that's what I said, however since this is not your country why criticize our laws, I'm sure your country has problems for you to attend to.

So I should shut up about the anti-Gay laws in Russia, too? Or the restrictions in countries like Zimbabwe, North Korea... or Egypt? Yeah. Silly of me to have any input about things like that. (deep sigh)

You did see I said debate the issues,and what happens here is as fair as anywhere in the world, no one will ever have a perfect system. By the way more people in the world want to come here than any other, freedom is one of the top reasons, we must have pretty good law if people want to come here to enjoy the freedom granted by the law.

(August 4, 2013 at 5:00 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(August 4, 2013 at 3:36 pm)A Theist Wrote: Seems like you're not quite liberated from fallacy yet. Your naivety is showing.

You're just upset because I pointed out that you are racist. I expect comments like yours from deluded racist theist fools like you. FAIL!

...and it seems you're upset because I pointed out the double standards of race hustlers like you. But I would expect that from inexperienced and naive kids like you. EPIC FAIL, JUNIOR!

(August 4, 2013 at 8:48 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(August 3, 2013 at 4:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: I've not read the entire post so I may be repeating someone else. This matter was settled in a court of law and the man was found not guilty, it's over as far as the laws concerned and the constitution supports this. I do not believe the verdict was correct because, I do not believe the charge was correct, but none of this matters either, the law by which we live prevailed and this is what we must live with, if we want to survive as a nation. I've seen some here who put down the Biblical law of an eye for an eye, but now that it suits them it's okay, double standards do not benefit a nation. IMO if the state had brought the proper charge we would have seen a different out come, but as I said none of it matters now the justice system has spoken. It's good to debate an issue like this but getting angry with each other accomplishes nothing other than greater division, don't you think that's going in the wrong direction.

And what, please tell, would you have rather seen Zimmerman tried for? I keep hearing people make vague allusions to "different charges," and yet nobody ever really suggests one.

Second degree murder with a manslaughter charge to back it up, this would have gotten him some time. I personally believe he deserved some time, but hey that's me I wasn't sitting on the jury and determining his fate.

(August 4, 2013 at 5:36 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(August 4, 2013 at 5:00 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: You're just upset because I pointed out that you are racist. I expect comments like yours from deluded racist theist fools like you. FAIL!

...and it seems you're upset because I pointed out the double standards of race hustlers like you. But I would expect that from inexperienced and naive kids like you. EPIC FAIL, JUNIOR!

Qualfy "race hustler" and we can have a grown up talk. You're the one who is obsessed with race. Until then, go get on your knees before your god and serve him until he comes.

It was about race from the very beginning. If Zimmerman was black and Martin "white" hispanic, no media would dare to say that Zim was racist. But because it was the opposite, people went apeshit.

(August 4, 2013 at 10:18 am)Red Celt Wrote: Uhm, your pro-Zimmerman dogmatism is getting in the way when you claim that anti-Zimmerman people are being dogmatic.

I wouldn't be so quick to try and preach logic here. I didn't say that calling a liar a liar is hypocritical. I said that calling one liar a liar whilst not calling another liar a liar... that's hypocritical. OK? OK.

Say the words: "Zimmerman is a liar". Go on, you can do it. It isn't as if you're guilty of dogmatism, or anything, is it? Is it?

LOL

Yes. My pro-Zimmerman dogmatism. That's why earlier in this thread I was actually sounding just like you. Until I was provided information that the media had been keen to gloss over.

No, do go on about dogmatism, tell me more about it.

(August 4, 2013 at 7:36 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(August 4, 2013 at 10:18 am)Red Celt Wrote: Uhm, your pro-Zimmerman dogmatism is getting in the way when you claim that anti-Zimmerman people are being dogmatic.

I wouldn't be so quick to try and preach logic here. I didn't say that calling a liar a liar is hypocritical. I said that calling one liar a liar whilst not calling another liar a liar... that's hypocritical. OK? OK.

Say the words: "Zimmerman is a liar". Go on, you can do it. It isn't as if you're guilty of dogmatism, or anything, is it? Is it?

LOL

Yes. My pro-Zimmerman dogmatism. That's why earlier in this thread I was actually sounding just like you. Until I was provided information that the media had been keen to gloss over.

No, do go on about dogmatism, tell me more about it.

All of my information came from researching the facts, not the media. It wasn't very big in the media over here. There was a mention when it happened and a mention after the verdict. I just looked for the facts. You should try that some time. Most interestingly, compare the timing of the events with what Zimmerman said happened. And when. Then remember, with him being a liar, that so many people in this thread have been using Zimmerman's statements as if they were the truth... and that the only other witness is dead.

Or you can dogmatically stick to your current position. Your call.

This thread is still going?

(August 4, 2013 at 5:00 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: You're just upset because I pointed out that you are racist. I expect comments like yours from deluded racist theist fools like you. FAIL!

(August 4, 2013 at 5:55 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(August 4, 2013 at 5:36 pm)A Theist Wrote: ...and it seems you're upset because I pointed out the double standards of race hustlers like you. But I would expect that from inexperienced and naive kids like you. EPIC FAIL, JUNIOR!

Qualfy "race hustler" and we can have a grown up talk. You're the one who is obsessed with race. Until then, go get on your knees before your god and serve him until he comes.

You clarify racist and racism. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy and your double standards....

Your comment:

Quote:This is a human issue, and not a (race) issue.....DROP THE RACE CRAP ALREADY. It was a human tragedy - NOT a race issue

If this is what you truly believe then you agree with others of us on this forum, (both atheists and theists alike), who have been saying all along that this was not a racial issue. A tragedy yes, but not a racial issue. So I'm assuming that you also agree that Zimmerman's shooting of Trayvon Martin was not racially motivated and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self defense. Is that what you're saying?

Also, if you say this was not a race issue, and I'm assuming you read the whole thread, then you're calling out others who actually did make race an issue of this...correct?

Quote:Actually, I'm predicting race riots just like the LA police trial in 1992.

Quote:It's official! You can kill kids for being black!

Quote:So, white guy kills an unarmed black kid and it's ok, right?

Quote:So, to clarify; In Florida it's perfectly okay to murder an innocent young man in the street as long as he's unarmed, black, and you stalk him first?

Quote:So, nothing particularly new in America. Whitey killed blackie and got away with it.

Quote:Anyway, the entire case just shows how racist the country still is when a black person with a hoody is considered to be "suspicious".

Quote:Ultimately, the big lesson for me is the reactions to this event from certain people... and other people giving kudos in a knee-jerk reaction, like members of the KKK at one of their rallies.

Quote:Racial profiling took place that night. If it were a white man or white woman would it still have happened the same way? No. He was black, he was male, ergo he "matched the description" of previously reported burglar(s).

How do you see the Zimmerman / Martin incident? Do you disagree with the contention by some that Zimmerman's shooting of Martin was racially motivated?