(August 26, 2013 at 7:38 am)Maelstrom Wrote: No two kernels will pop the same. That is basic chaos theory.

Darwin did not note any differences in looking at iguanas or turtles born in that particular place.
They all had similar color similar size similar habit etc. so where is the chaos theory?
But if you look at humans they born with so many different characteristics like born sick or born healthy born rich or born poor, born intelligent or born demented and so on.
Uhm, a bit strange considering that according the atheist theory you born and live only once?
So you got the chaos theory for humans and a non chaos theory for lower form of life?

Wut. You realize they find shit like three headed snakes and deformed animal babies all the time? Keep in mind, lots of animals dispose of defective young or they die on their own, so you won't see a shitton of dilapidated birds trying to fly around or some shit.

And there are differences in temperament amongst a species. Like dogs and cats and bullshit like that.

(August 26, 2013 at 10:15 am)enrico Wrote: Darwin did not note any differences in looking at iguanas or turtles born in that particular place.
They all had similar color similar size similar habit etc. so where is the chaos theory?
But if you look at humans they born with so many different characteristics like born sick or born healthy born rich or born poor, born intelligent or born demented and so on.
Uhm, a bit strange considering that according the atheist theory you born and live only once?
So you got the chaos theory for humans and a non chaos theory for lower form of life?

Your knowledge on all things scientific really has no beginning does it!

Chaos theory would deal with events such as popcorn popping, which would depend on the heat in the pan then the distribution of the corn and the water in the corn, you know random shit.

Evolution is to do with what animal survives and gets to transfer its genes
particularly in a harsh environment, it is a process that although it has random elements has predictable outcomes.

You are talking of two things that really only mesh at the extreme periphery.

The theory of evolution is the same for all creatures including humans. Oh and all creatures are equally evolved. The humble mould that turns your bread green has been evolving for just as long as humans.
You see evolution does not have a "goal" to end up with uber advanced creatures with mega developed brains, it just makes things that can survive slightly better than anything else with the available gene set in the area survive to pass on its genes a little better than anything else in the area.
The mould on your bread has evolved to be able live perfectly well on that bread and has been evolved perfectly to fill that niche.

(August 26, 2013 at 10:06 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(August 26, 2013 at 9:54 am)enrico Wrote: You see, you are not getting the point.
I am not saying that is not possible to change in this lifetime on the contrary i do believe that it is possible. This has nothing to do with what i am saying.
I am saying that as an atheist believe in only one life it does not make sense that we are pop up and out (born) in different situation.
If the evolutionary cycle that an atheist believe in is correct then we should be born very similar and not so different as i already explained.
The only explanation to these differences is that we lived before and in previous lives we have shaped our present situation.
In other words atheism does not make any sense at all.

I found the bolded part ironic because I have no clue what you are on about.

Some people here believe that the differences in human being are due to the theory of chaos and not to the fact that we lived before and in those lives we have shaped our own lives in the good or in the bad.
From here i can say that if there is no chaos in the lower form of lives then there should no be chaos also in the higher form of lives like human life therefore chaos in part of the evolution and non chaos in other part does not make sense at all.
That is why i can say that atheism does not make any sense at all.
The movement of mother nature is linear and follow the same system in all form of lives.
It is when instinct give way to reason as animals evolve into human beings that mother nature is no longer responsible for the evolution of consciousness but as humans born for the first time they should look very very similar.
Considering that an atheist believe in only one life then there is no valid explanation why we born so different from each other.

For the last time, rico, there is no frickin "atheist theory". So anything you want to ridicule as being "a result of" it is purely your own invention. Look, we don't mind you masturbating but is it really necessary to keep insisting that we watch?

(August 26, 2013 at 10:19 am)Psykhronic Wrote: Wut. You realize they find shit like three headed snakes and deformed animal babies all the time? Keep in mind, lots of animals dispose of defective young or they die on their own, so you won't see a shitton of dilapidated birds trying to fly around or some shit.
And there are differences in temperament amongst a species. Like dogs and cats and bullshit like that.

You also get fishes born with two heads DUE to pollution in the water or you can see some animals doing things that go against their natural instincts due to all sort of strange reasons.
This is not due to chaos within mother nature.
Could well be that that fish born with two heads in previous life was a rapist or a murderer.

(August 26, 2013 at 10:38 am)enrico Wrote: Some people here believe that the differences in human being are due to the theory of chaos and not to the fact that we lived before and in those lives we have shaped our own lives in the good or in the bad.

We are here because of evolution not chaos theory, I can't remember anyone saying we are here because of chaos other than you.

Quote:From here i can say that if there is no chaos in the lower form of lives then there should no be chaos also in the higher form of lives like human life therefore chaos in part of the evolution and non chaos in other part does not make sense at all.

I can agree with the "not making sense part". But I suspect not for the reason you mean.

Quote:That is why i can say that atheism does not make any sense at all.
The movement of mother nature is linear and follow the same system in all form of lives.

Bollocks does it. Evolution is not linear. Evolution depends on many things and things that were no longer beneficial can come back if hey are beneficial again.

Quote:It is when instinct give way to reason as animals evolve into human beings that mother nature is no longer responsible for the evolution of consciousness but as humans born for the first time they should look very very similar.

Well I can agree with a certain amount of that. Humans have culture, a sort of external memory that other creatures only have hints of. We also have writing and that I think has done more to spur the changes than anything else. Its like having a vast brain that we can pass on to others no longer held back by memories or longevity.

Quote:Considering that an atheist believe in only one life then there is no valid explanation why we born so different from each other.

I don't see why an atheist can't believe in an after life!
I don't.
But all atheism is is the non-belief in god. Other than that atheists can believe in any stupid shit and still get to be in the club.
Saying that, are you serious! "no valid explanation for why we are born so different".
Genetics, society, upbringing, trauma, peers, medical conditions all these affect who we turn out to be.

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(August 26, 2013 at 10:51 am)enrico Wrote: Could well be that that fish born with two heads in previous life was a rapist or a murderer.

Rapist fish eh.

For some reason i found the idea amusing.

Enrico, you still haven't offered any evidence for reincarnation. Until you do, shut the fuck up about it. You a literally talking about things you don't understand

(August 25, 2013 at 10:05 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(August 25, 2013 at 5:18 am)enrico Wrote: Hummmm, is frightening to think that in the next few minutes our planet can be hit by a huge meteor and we all die.

Tough. That's what you get for living in a cosmos that isn't even aware of your existence and wouldn't give a flying fox even if it was.

And it's 'meteorite', not meteor, in the context you're using. Meteors originate from cometary debris and are totally harmless, being the term for the flash of light as they burn up in the atmosphere. Meteorites are chunks of rock and iron originating principally from asteroids, or less commonly from other rocky planets. The two words are not interchangeable; though since you've a proven track record of distorting every other combination of scientific terms in a hideously Frankenstein fashion, I can't say I'm surprised at this point.

Actually, no.

Spinning through space is a meteoroid, burning in the atmosphere is a meteor, the bit of it that hits the ground is a meteorite.

(August 26, 2013 at 9:54 am)enrico Wrote: You see, you are not getting the point.

That's okay. Whenever we do get a point you go right ahead and take credit for it.