(September 15, 2013 at 2:56 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Marxism is the guardian angel of capitalism. We know from history and the present that both ideologies are harmful and show no genuine concern for human life, nor any human society.
Capitalism threatens people with communism, communism threatens them with capitalism.
A strong national economy regulated by an authoritarian government is the way to true prosperity and humane living conditions.

So you support communism then?

I wonder if mehmet realizes that one of the few true examples of what he is talking about was Nazi Germany.

This should be interesting.

In the blue corner, hailing from the camp of anarchist cultism - regarded by most the greatest anti-government fanatic on the forum, he thinks all government is inherently evil and all political power in hands of thieves and robbers - INTRODUCING KOOLAY.

In the red corner, hailing from the lands of chauvinist nationalism - wearing the Turkish flag as a cape, he supports an authoritarian and invasive government with the economic ideal of National Socialist (Nazi) Party - INTRODUCING KILIÇ_MEHMET.

Hang on to your seats, folks. This is going to be a crazy ride.

(September 15, 2013 at 7:34 pm)apophenia Wrote:


I wonder if mehmet realizes that one of the few true examples of what he is talking about was Nazi Germany.

Given he has lauded the Nazis in the past, I'm sure he is quite aware of it.

Quote:Last time I checked, they are not knocking on my door with guns asking for half of my income.

Last time I checked, nobody has ever knocked on my door with guns asking for half of my income.

(September 15, 2013 at 10:21 pm)genkaus Wrote: This should be interesting.

In the blue corner, hailing from the camp of anarchist cultism - regarded by most the greatest anti-government fanatic on the forum, he thinks all government is inherently evil and all political power in hands of thieves and robbers - INTRODUCING KOOLAY.

In the red corner, hailing from the lands of chauvinist nationalism - wearing the Turkish flag as a cape, he supports an authoritarian and invasive government with the economic ideal of National Socialist (Nazi) Party - INTRODUCING KILIÇ_MEHMET.

Hang on to your seats, folks. This is going to be a crazy ride.

(September 15, 2013 at 10:32 am)Koolay Wrote: Economics is social, it is about predicting human behaviour, and you kind of need to be in it to understand it. It's not like studying an inert landscape like the sea.

Tosh.

As Brian replied to you, economics is not some entity that exists only to those who run/operate a business. Economics is integral to the political system that we all exist in. It's not a 'thing', it's a concept, to which we place arbitary values on in which to draw meaning and utility.

Anyone can understand the basics of economic system. Really, it's not that difficult. The most difficult part is understanding the difference between heuristics and workability when placing economic theory into practice with the variable of real, stupid, ignorant human beings added into the equation.

This seems to be the variable you don't understand, leading me to conclude that others on this thread (And all the others you have started about the same topic) know more about economics than you.

(September 15, 2013 at 10:46 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

Quote:Last time I checked, they are not knocking on my door with guns asking for half of my income.

Last time I checked, nobody has ever knocked on my door with guns asking for half of my income.

If you resist any one of the government's hundreds of thousands of laws, whether you agree with them or not, whether they are wrong or not- if you resist enough you will be shot. That is the chilling effect of government, every law or regulation, is backed up by the threat of murder.

Quote:If you resist any one of the government's hundreds of thousands of laws, whether you agree with them or not, whether they are wrong or not- if you resist enough you will be shot. That is the chilling effect of government, every law or regulation, is backed up by the threat of murder.

Oh, bollocks. I've broken hundreds of laws in my life. When I was caught, I was punished. But no one - and I do mean NO one - ever threaten to have me shot over any crime of which I was accused. This includes the days of my misspent youth, when my mates and I were firmly convinced that we could undo the Act of Union by breaking a few shop windows and setting the occasional abandoned Morris mini alight.

Do you really expect us to believe that governments shoot people for traffic infractions, or not picking up dog poo? You're round the bend, you are.

Boru

(September 15, 2013 at 2:56 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Marxism is the guardian angel of capitalism. We know from history and the present that both ideologies are harmful and show no genuine concern for human life, nor any human society.
Capitalism threatens people with communism, communism threatens them with capitalism.
A strong national economy regulated by an authoritarian government is the way to true prosperity and humane living conditions.

Go away Mehmet, Koolay has hogged all the crazy tickets for this thread. We can deal with your racism in another. Now, shoo!

(September 15, 2013 at 6:59 pm)Koolay Wrote: Oh come on, being a consumer does not make you knowledgeable in the business you are consuming.

No, but being awake in social studies at school oddly enough gives you a good idea of what's going on.

Quote:You can understand it, but you certainly are no authority in it unless you have years of experience to make you an expert in that field.

You should take your own advice every now and then, shouldn't you?

Quote:For example, an expert surgeon will recognise a really good surgeon, whereas I, obviously could not appreciate the skill of the expert from a regular surgeon.

It'll get to you when you have leftover gauze in your operation wound..

(September 15, 2013 at 2:56 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Marxism is the guardian angel of capitalism. We know from history and the present that both ideologies are harmful and show no genuine concern for human life, nor any human society.
Capitalism threatens people with communism, communism threatens them with capitalism.
A strong national economy regulated by an authoritarian government is the way to true prosperity and humane living conditions.

I'm sorry, but how is Capitalism a threat?

Quote:And if you are going to say an authoritarian government leads to higher living standards, prove it. Otherwise you are just trolling.

Pot and kettle, how nice that you found each other!

(September 16, 2013 at 3:38 am)LastPoet Wrote:

(September 15, 2013 at 10:21 pm)genkaus Wrote: This should be interesting.

In the blue corner, hailing from the camp of anarchist cultism - regarded by most the greatest anti-government fanatic on the forum, he thinks all government is inherently evil and all political power in hands of thieves and robbers - INTRODUCING KOOLAY.

In the red corner, hailing from the lands of chauvinist nationalism - wearing the Turkish flag as a cape, he supports an authoritarian and invasive government with the economic ideal of National Socialist (Nazi) Party - INTRODUCING KILIÇ_MEHMET.

Hang on to your seats, folks. This is going to be a crazy ride.

*sits next to LP and reaches for some snacks*

(September 17, 2013 at 7:14 pm)Koolay Wrote: If you resist any one of the government's hundreds of thousands of laws, whether you agree with them or not, whether they are wrong or not- if you resist enough you will be shot. That is the chilling effect of government, every law or regulation, is backed up by the threat of murder.

a) Shot for resisting? Hardly, or what kind of ghetto do you live in..?
b) The people chose their government. Educated people with knowledge of how their immediate society works can make informed decisions and elect adequate people to be part of the government. So, if you're unhappy about the state of the state, you should demand better education for all. Oh, but I forgot, you despise anything educational. Here's the deal: There are different systems all over the world, I'm pretty sure there is a nice nook somewhere in the backwaters of the world, where you can settle down and never have to worry about governments again. Then again, you could actually try to do some difference locally (read: not here, it's pretty obvious you're not gonna get any followers from AF) and come up with a decent suggestion of what would actually work.