Most people probably don't "believe" in evolution as much as in they believe the people who tell them about evolution. These people are pretty gullible as in they would probably believe anyone who calls themselves a doctor or anyone who wears a white coat. Now the things that they blindly follow may be in fact founded on science and our actual understanding of the universe, but they have done no research or investigation whatsoever into what the people in power are telling them are true. Thus they have the propensity to believe in things that are false as long as they trust the deliverer.

(September 20, 2013 at 11:18 am)Stimbo Wrote: And this is the point at which you officially cross from being a clown to a bastard. How fucking dare you try to rationalise the suffering of innocents by saying they deserve it? How fucking dare you, sir? Are we to conclude that in a previous life you were guilty of such a severe crime against humanity that your punishment was to be reborn as a pathetic gibbering lunatic? Unfortunately, the chances of the Universe even caring about what a race of monkeys desperately wants to be true and just are about as astronomically high as you having two brain cells that talk to each other.

I did not make the rules.
I did not decided to establish the karma law.
I did not created a universe in which it balance because of the positive and negative.
I did not say that for every action there has got to be an equal and opposite reaction.
I just believe in these things because this to me equal to justice and allow the system to work properly.
If i contract a debt with a bank you will be sure that the bank will force me to pay back the debt.
What would happen if people don't pay back the debt?
The bank and all the system would collapse and everybody would be in the sewer contending food with the rats.
Actually if i see someone suffering i try as much as i can to help.
When a junkie tried to kill me when i was driving a cab the first though was to see him hang by the balls but after a while when i recover physically and mentally i thought that the best thing for him was to be in a rehabilitation centre where he could get rid of his addiction and by the way it was after all ok. for me to have experience that nasty thing.
In this way i burn some of my bad karma.

Enrico, I have told you before, you don't have any evidence for karma, so shut the fuck up about it.

(September 21, 2013 at 8:26 am)Rationalman Wrote: Enrico, I have told you before, you don't have any evidence for karma, so shut the fuck up about it.

When two people go in front of a judge without any hard evidence the judge will decide according to logic and according to what make more sense.
What you got to disprove me apart your usual swearing?
NOTHING.
What i got to induce a positive outcome?
Logic and good sense as the physical law say that every action has got to have an equal and opposite reaction.

(September 21, 2013 at 8:12 am)enrico Wrote:

(September 20, 2013 at 11:18 am)Stimbo Wrote: And this is the point at which you officially cross from being a clown to a bastard. How fucking dare you try to rationalise the suffering of innocents by saying they deserve it? How fucking dare you, sir? Are we to conclude that in a previous life you were guilty of such a severe crime against humanity that your punishment was to be reborn as a pathetic gibbering lunatic? Unfortunately, the chances of the Universe even caring about what a race of monkeys desperately wants to be true and just are about as astronomically high as you having two brain cells that talk to each other.

I did not make the rules.
I did not decided to establish the karma law.
I did not created a universe in which it balance because of the positive and negative.
I did not say that for every action there has got to be an equal and opposite reaction.
I just believe in these things because this to me equal to justice and allow the system to work properly.
If i contract a debt with a bank you will be sure that the bank will force me to pay back the debt.
What would happen if people don't pay back the debt?
The bank and all the system would collapse and everybody would be in the sewer contending food with the rats.
Actually if i see someone suffering i try as much as i can to help.
When a junkie tried to kill me when i was driving a cab the first though was to see him hang by the balls but after a while when i recover physically and mentally i thought that the best thing for him was to be in a rehabilitation centre where he could get rid of his addiction and by the way it was after all ok. for me to have experience that nasty thing.
In this way i burn some of my bad karma.

Then who created it, Mr. Big Consciousness? Or did it all happen naturally? For either to even be true, you need evidence.

(September 21, 2013 at 8:39 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Then who created it, Mr. Big Consciousness? Or did it all happen naturally? For either to even be true, you need evidence.

Created what?

(September 21, 2013 at 8:36 am)enrico Wrote: When two people go in front of a judge without any hard evidence the judge will decide according to logic and according to what make more sense.

Wrong, if there was no hard evidence, it wouldn't go to court. Even if it did go to court, the judge would be unable to convict anyone due to lack of evidence.

(September 21, 2013 at 8:36 am)enrico Wrote: What you got to disprove me apart your usual swearing?
NOTHING.

Its impossible to disprove something which has not been proven to start with.

(September 21, 2013 at 9:08 am)Rationalman Wrote:

(September 21, 2013 at 8:36 am)enrico Wrote: When two people go in front of a judge without any hard evidence the judge will decide according to logic and according to what make more sense.

Wrong, if there was no hard evidence, it wouldn't go to court. Even if it did go to court, the judge would be unable to convict anyone due to lack of evidence.

(September 21, 2013 at 8:36 am)enrico Wrote: What you got to disprove me apart your usual swearing?
NOTHING.

Its impossible to disprove something which has not been proven to start with.

Evidence is a tricky word if you consider the situation within this physical universe.The evidence that is valid right now will end up in the dust bin of history tomorrow or even sooner.
When you live in a moving and changing situation where the positive and negative balance each other there is no way that the things stay the same so the evidence is quite illusory.
Has been already proven that progress can not exist in the physical and mental arena because as soon as you gain on one side you loose on the other.
On the contrary within the spiritual arena where the positive is not affected by the negative because there is no negative is possible to gain progress so permanent evidence is possible.
In this way is possible to understand what is the truth and what is not.

(September 21, 2013 at 10:10 am)enrico Wrote:

(September 21, 2013 at 9:08 am)Rationalman Wrote: Wrong, if there was no hard evidence, it wouldn't go to court. Even if it did go to court, the judge would be unable to convict anyone due to lack of evidence.


Its impossible to disprove something which has not been proven to start with.

Evidence is a tricky word if you consider the situation within this physical universe.The evidence that is valid right now will end up in the dust bin of history tomorrow or even sooner.
When you live in a moving and changing situation where the positive and negative balance each other there is no way that the things stay the same so the evidence is quite illusory.
Has been already proven that progress can not exist in the physical and mental arena because as soon as you gain on one side you loose on the other.
On the contrary within the spiritual arena where the positive is not affected by the negative because there is no negative is possible to gain progress so permanent evidence is possible.
In this way is possible to understand what is the truth and what is not.

So? tomorrow hasn't come yet, so evidence is still needed.

(September 21, 2013 at 8:12 am)enrico Wrote: I did not make the rules.

The Nuremberg Defence? Seriously? That carries terrible precedent, you do reallise? (What am I saying - of course you don't).

(September 21, 2013 at 8:12 am)enrico Wrote: II did not decided to establish the karma law.
I did not created a universe in which it balance because of the positive and negative.
I did not say that for every action there has got to be an equal and opposite reaction.
I just believe in these things because this to me equal to justice and allow the system to work properly.

And yet the Universe outside your loathsome and febrile imagination goes blithely on without an atom of awareness of, and gives not a single shit for, your sick opinions of how it ought to work. It's almost as though this karma just dropped out of someone's arse, isn't it? Now I wonder why that is?