(October 8, 2013 at 12:41 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Um, selling everything you have and giving that money to the poor is what your religious figure teaches. I'm not under any obligation to do that (as apparently neither are Christians).

Correct. But, if you judge others for allowing suffering and do the same yourself, you're a hypocrite.

(October 8, 2013 at 12:36 pm)John V Wrote:

(October 4, 2013 at 5:01 pm)xpastor Wrote: Are you suggesting that concerned atheists are hypocrites if they don't sell all that they have and give it to the poor?

Yes.

Sure, as soon as us atheists acquire a magical god/man that commands us to give away everything to the poor according to anonymous authors of books of untraceable lineage, we'll be hypocrites if we claim to follow his directives, but actually don't.

(October 8, 2013 at 12:45 pm)John V Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 12:41 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Um, selling everything you have and giving that money to the poor is what your religious figure teaches. I'm not under any obligation to do that (as apparently neither are Christians).

Correct. But, if you judge others for allowing suffering and do the same yourself, you're a hypocrite.

OBJECTION!!! We dont have the power to end suffering. However your god that you believe in does and choses not to.one other thing Ending suffering would be no skin off gods bones,selling everything we owned would greatly impact us

(October 8, 2013 at 12:45 pm)John V Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 12:41 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Um, selling everything you have and giving that money to the poor is what your religious figure teaches. I'm not under any obligation to do that (as apparently neither are Christians).

Correct. But, if you judge others for allowing suffering and do the same yourself, you're a hypocrite.

It just doesn't make sense.

'Give to the poor' is a mantra that means very little if we're talking in purely fiscal terms, here.

It's about advancement, socially, economically, politically, even culturally. It's about teaching longevity in production, and ensuring we advance to a position of a decent standard of living for all and not just a few.

All you get if you give all your money and possessions to a poor person (relative to you) is two more poor people. Yourself, who has just given up everything, and the person you've given it to, who will be unlikely to either keep it or make it last.

It doesn't make sense. Saying 'just give to the poor' is a good statement only prima facie. Beneath the service it's just a feel good statement that actually causes more harm than good when the logistics of such an action are examined at minimal depth.

(October 8, 2013 at 12:47 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Sure, as soon as us atheists acquire a magical god/man that commands us to give away everything to the poor according to anonymous authors of books of untraceable lineage, we'll be hypocrites if we claim to follow his directives, but actually don't.

No, as soon as you judge another and do the same yourself, you're a hypocrite.

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(October 8, 2013 at 1:00 pm)victor4128 Wrote: OBJECTION!!! We dont have the power to end suffering.

You have the power to reduce it.

Quote:However your god that you believe in does and choses not to.one other thing Ending suffering would be no skin off gods bones,selling everything we owned would greatly impact us

Ah, so you care deeply about the suffering of others...unless you'd have to give up some pleasures to reduce it. Gotcha!

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(October 8, 2013 at 1:03 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: It just doesn't make sense.

'Give to the poor' is a mantra that means very little if we're talking in purely fiscal terms, here.

It's about advancement, socially, economically, politically, even culturally. It's about teaching longevity in production, and ensuring we advance to a position of a decent standard of living for all and not just a few.

All you get if you give all your money and possessions to a poor person (relative to you) is two more poor people. Yourself, who has just given up everything, and the person you've given it to, who will be unlikely to either keep it or make it last.

It doesn't make sense. Saying 'just give to the poor' is a good statement only prima facie. Beneath the service it's just a feel good statement that actually causes more harm than good when the logistics of such an action are examined at minimal depth.

Sure, you need to have food and shelter for yourself, and you may need to keep a car and a certain level of clothing in order to earn the most and be able to reduce the most suffering.

(October 8, 2013 at 12:45 pm)John V Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 12:41 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Um, selling everything you have and giving that money to the poor is what your religious figure teaches. I'm not under any obligation to do that (as apparently neither are Christians).

Correct. But, if you judge others for allowing suffering and do the same yourself, you're a hypocrite.

You are such a dumb shit.

BTW, note that my original post just mentioned pleasures such as booze and other drugs. I said nothing about selling all you own.

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(October 8, 2013 at 1:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You are such a dumb shit.

You don't care about those children enough to give up some pleasures to feed them.

Your alleged godboy said:

Quote:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Matty 19

Obviously you are even a shitty xtian.

Why doesn't your magical sky-daddy feed them...or even make it rain so they could feed themselves? Surely, a little rain isn't too hard for your "all-powerful" god to manage.

Why does your fucking god hate little kids?

(October 8, 2013 at 1:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Obviously you are even a shitty xtian.

Agreed. Again, good thing I have a savior.

Quote:Why doesn't your magical sky-daddy feed them...or even make it rain so they could feed themselves? Surely, a little rain isn't too hard for your "all-powerful" god to manage.

Why does your fucking god hate little kids?

Why do you guys hate little kids?

Looks like you're s-o-l on the saviour shit!

I don't hate them. I just can't help wondering why your "all-loving" god does?

What could they have done that is so bad.....aside from being born muslims or something?