You need to read some history to understand what were the political reasons , it was originated from Islamic reasons or external causes . I cant explain everyting here .

The attacks by the Mongols on Islamic cities can be a good example for this political reasons . The purpose of Genghis Khan was the conquer all the world . They had attacked the most developed muslim cities and destroyed the everything , killed millions of muslims .

Crusades would be another example . They also have tried to destroy Islam and killed millions of people , today still they try the same things but this is impossible .

Anyway I dont like to speak politics .

Sleepy, Try again, this time in english, please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbTXRCbLArE

(December 7, 2013 at 5:45 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 5:40 pm)Sleepy Wrote: 'It's wrong because it's traumatic'? And what's wrong with it being traumatic? What does traumatic events have to do with natural selection, spreading your genes, increasing your pleasure. Who cares about anybody else. Spread your genes and only do what you want.

Why do you keep talking about all this 'spreading about your genes' shit? We don't live in a Darwinian world any more, we are above the animals in that sense. The rules of natural selection, no longer apply to us. If they did, we would be killing the weak and the sick in droves to prevent them from reproducing and spreading their faulty genes. In reality, we don't do that, we do all we can to protect the weak and the sick. Stop talking about evolution and natural selection, you clearly don't understand it.
Raping someone is a traumatic event. It is unpleasant for the person getting raped. Why put a person through pain when its not necessary? Unless you are a horrible person.

(December 7, 2013 at 5:40 pm)Sleepy Wrote: Second how is it 'wrong?" So you're saying there is absolutes??? That is fundamentally against atheism as wrong and right are determined by individuals.

try again

If you actually bothered to read my post earlier on in this thread, you would know my position
Try again

You don't even know how to be an atheist lol, more like a glob of confused , contradicting , human flesh.

Natural selection is always continuing. How can it stop??
Why are we helping the weak? Why are we living by some type of absolute morals where we are helping people?

Morals are given to human beings by Allah. That's what we follow, that's why it's appropriate to not harm weak people and to help them if they are sick.

But the atheist has no answers as to why even though it's contradicting their beliefs.
Don't get mad. Accept you don't know and then learn. Forced ignorance is worse than blind ignorance and you are forcing yourself to remain ignorant.

(December 8, 2013 at 11:39 am)Sleepy Wrote: The only good theocratic country in the world is Iran. Which hasn't attacked another country in hundreds of years and where Jews as well as Christians live in peace and have Jewish and Christian schools as well as representatives in the Iranian parliament

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It's illogical to say "political and religious are same" because those who are claiming something does not mean what they're doing is representative of what they claim unless they're perfect beings with no room for error

You mean that country that hangs gays from cranes & is building nukes to destroy Israel? Ya, wonderful place.

(December 8, 2013 at 11:39 am)Sleepy Wrote: The only good theocratic country in the world is Iran. Which hasn't attacked another country in hundreds of years

*ahem* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_iraq_war

Also worth noting, they've stated that they want to wipe Isreal off the map (aka attacking another nation), but they aren't going to because they know that if they try, the rest of the world will turn Iran into a giant, smoking crater. Not to mention, they aren't fond of the west and would probably attack one of us except, again, they'd lose the ensuing war.

Quote: It's illogical to say "political and religious are same" because those who are claiming something does not mean what they're doing is representative of what they claim unless they're perfect beings with no room for error

Did anyone understand that? I sure didn't.

Also, our confused friend sleepy doesn't seem to have an understanding of how evolution works. No, we didn't get our morals from Allah or from Jesus or from Yahweh or from Zeus or any other mytholigical being. We have them, yes, because empathy and social structures are part of human evolution. We evolved to care about each other and care about our group. That was especially important as our brains started getting bigger since it resulted in women giving birth to babies eariler in development, resulting in babies that were more or less helpless and dependen on a group helping them and the mother for suvival. And it's not unusual for evolution to favor social creatures. Look at ants or bees or termites; they're incredibly social, with individual bees gladly sacrificing their own life to protect the hive and drones sacrificing their lives to mate and ensure the survival of their group. Hell, if you want to look at something closer to humans, look at big cats like Lions with their prides and wolf packs. Yes, evolution has created group dynamics because social skills are productive to survival of a species.

(December 8, 2013 at 11:39 am)Sleepy Wrote: The only good theocratic country in the world is Iran. Which hasn't attacked another country in hundreds of years and where Jews as well as Christians live in peace and have Jewish and Christian schools as well as representatives in the Iranian parliament

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It's illogical to say "political and religious are same" because those who are claiming something does not mean what they're doing is representative of what they claim unless they're perfect beings with no room for error

Sadly, there are at least parts of Iran where other religions aren't (or at least weren't allowed to live in peace. I had a friend at school whose family had to leave Iran when she was a toddler because they were Christians and were going to be executed for it. You really have no idea, do you?



And for the record, if Iran were to wipe Israel off the map, I can't say I'd blame them. If ever there was a country asking to be nuked.... Not that that would make it right, but I'd understand. Kinda like I understand why someone might kill a person who's been molesting their kid. Sure, it's horribly wrong to kill them, but I can understand why it's happened. You know?

No atheist on here has any logical answer. They can only go around in circles like a dog chasing it's tail. It's hilarious.

Why is rape bad?

Atheists response " because it is!!"

Muslim response- it's a heinous crime and the punishment is death.

Atheists- heinous is a relative term though. It's a dominant specimen exerting powe over a weaker specimen to spread his genes and benefit himself

Lol that's an atheist response. That's what happens when you live in a world of moral relativity. It's nonsense.
Killing is relative, theft is relative, everything is relative within the unfortunate and demented atheist thinking. The other side could always be argued no matter how 'bad' it is

Typical atheist responses to me
Omg sleepy I don't know what to say so I say something irrelevant, false, and childish because I got caught in a web of lies it teach my self.

Atheist thinking
Maybe this relativity is BS. How can I believe something is bad when 'bad' is relative. There's nobody to decide what bad is!!!

CORRECT RESPONSE
Allah decides what is bad. There is no moral relativity. There is no such thing as rape per se in marriage because the wife and husband gbe themselves to each other. It's completely unethical to force spouse to have sex. But legally it's not

The punishment is death for rape. Putting a husband to death for 'raping' his wife is a completely different scenario than a random
man raping a women.

Atheist thinking.
That actually does make sense because they've most likely had sex before, knew they are going to have sex when they got married and it is wrong for any person to force to have sex but it's not rape in the way it's commonly used.

The punishment for forcin your spouse to have sex is not on the level of a random individual
committing rape.

This is common sense and seen in English Law as well

(December 8, 2013 at 11:56 am)Sleepy Wrote: No atheist on here has any logical answer. They can only go around in circles like a dog chasing it's tail. It's hilarious.

Why is rape bad?

Atheists response " because it is!!"

Muslim response- it's a heinous crime and the punishment is death.

Atheists- heinous is a relative term though. It's a dominant specimen exerting powe over a weaker specimen to spread his genes and benefit himself

Lol that's an atheist response. That's what happens when you live in a world of moral relativity. It's nonsense.
Killing is relative, theft is relative, everything is relative within the unfortunate and demented atheist thinking. The other side could always be argued no matter how 'bad' it is

Typical atheist responses to me
Omg sleepy I don't know what to say so I say something irrelevant, false, and childish because I got caught in a web of lies it teach my self.

Atheist thinking
Maybe this relativity is BS. How can I believe something is bad when 'bad' is relative. There's nobody to decide what bad is!!!

CORRECT RESPONSE
Allah decides what is bad. There is no moral relativity. There is no such thing as rape per se in marriage because the wife and husband gbe themselves to each other. It's completely unethical to force spouse to have sex. But legally it's not

The punishment is death for rape. Putting a husband to death for 'raping' his wife is a completely different scenario than a random
man raping a women.

Atheist thinking.
That actually does make sense because they've most likely had sex before, knew they are going to have sex when they got married and it is wrong for any person to force to have sex but it's not rape in the way it's commonly used.

The punishment for forcin your spouse to have sex is not on the level of a random individual
committing rape.

This is common sense and seen in English Law as well

I think this just might be the biggest strawman I've seen so far.

(December 7, 2013 at 11:09 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(December 7, 2013 at 11:04 pm)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:

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The violence in Africa isn't as easy to solve as passing a law. This violence is. And, reproductive slaves? You know who has even less of a say than the poor, oppressed, women?

The unborn child.

Yeah, because a fetus CAN'T SAY ANYTHING. It's a fucking fetus, for chrissakes.

Neither can a born baby.