Regarding the OP

You allow for continued development in scientific understanding, but when it comes to religion everything has to be exactly right from the start?

(December 11, 2013 at 4:54 am)GodsRevolt Wrote: Regarding the OP

You allow for continued development in scientific understanding, but when it comes to religion everything has to be exactly right from the start?

yes , becouse god is without faults ...so there should be no faults ..becouse even 1 fault would prove he doesnt exist ...en we ve found millions of faults..

(December 11, 2013 at 5:12 am)daandaan Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 4:54 am)GodsRevolt Wrote: Regarding the OP

You allow for continued development in scientific understanding, but when it comes to religion everything has to be exactly right from the start?

yes , becouse god is without faults ...so there should be no faults ..becouse even 1 fault would prove he doesnt exist ...en we ve found millions of faults..

No, I am saying that our understanding of God has been imperfect, just as our scientific understanding of the natural world has been imperfect. Both have developed.

(December 11, 2013 at 5:25 am)GodsRevolt Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 5:12 am)daandaan Wrote: yes , becouse god is without faults ...so there should be no faults ..becouse even 1 fault would prove he doesnt exist ...en we ve found millions of faults..

No, I am saying that our understanding of God has been imperfect, just as our scientific understanding of the natural world has been imperfect. Both have developed.

then please , if our scientific understanding is wrong ...tell me whats wrong with p = u * i * 3^o,5 * cosFi

(December 10, 2013 at 10:57 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I'm afraid you are confusing facts with belief. If religious dogma was susceptible to scientific discovery it would have long since vanished.

Indeed, the religious dogmatists have rarely if ever let facts get in the way of a good scam.

(December 11, 2013 at 7:17 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(December 10, 2013 at 10:57 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I'm afraid you are confusing facts with belief. If religious dogma was susceptible to scientific discovery it would have long since vanished.

Indeed, the religious dogmatists have rarely if ever let facts get in the way of a good scam.

True. And religion is used in the biggest and most profitable scam ever. Politics.

Religion will die out when politicians become honest, moral and scrupulous .

I'll wait.

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(December 11, 2013 at 6:06 am)daandaan Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 5:25 am)GodsRevolt Wrote: No, I am saying that our understanding of God has been imperfect, just as our scientific understanding of the natural world has been imperfect. Both have developed.

then please , if our scientific understanding is wrong ...tell me whats wrong with p = u * i * 3^o,5 * cosFi

Not my field. But I could give you any number of areas in which our scientific understanding in medicine has been been wrong. That's the very nature of science, it tests and improves itself constantly.

(December 11, 2013 at 4:54 am)GodsRevolt Wrote: Regarding the OP

You allow for continued development in scientific understanding, but when it comes to religion everything has to be exactly right from the start?

If you are an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient being with an important message for mankind, why would you ever transmit said message in a format that you know ahead of time will be misinterpreted or fall victim to the limited understanding of the people you're transmitting it to?

daandaan Wrote:then please , if our scientific understanding is wrong ...tell me whats wrong with p = u * i * 3^o,5 * cosFi

Don't... don't do that. It's not helping anyone.

(December 11, 2013 at 7:21 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Not my field. But I could give you any number of areas in which our scientific understanding in medicine has been been wrong. That's the very nature of science, it tests and improves itself constantly.

oh yes ,,we make mistakes but we r Always coming to a good end result becouse of science ..dont forget medical science is just 150 yrs old, but look what we have accomplished...a gazillion times more as milennia of religious stupidity like prayer or putting pages of teh buybull on the wound .....or smearing pigeonsblood onto it .. (a shure way to kill someone)

(December 11, 2013 at 7:21 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: True. And religion is used in the biggest and most profitable scam ever. Politics.

Well, for the majority of human history, religion and politics were synonymous. The power behind the throne and all that. It's only been within the last century or so, with the increasingly free dissemination of information and the emphasis on the importance of education, that religious 'leaders' have felt their grip on political power slipping. And that terrifies them.

What saddens me most of all with regards to religion is the willingness, the eagerness, with which people want to enchain themselves to what has been, for countless centuries, the preferred method for controlling and fleecing the populace. At one time they wouldn't have had the choice, other than "submit or die"; now they do and they still want to surrender themselves?

Actually Medical science is considerably older than that. In fact there is a randomised control trial recorded in the bible (although with a lamentably paucity of statistical analysis .)

But yes, science is an infinitely better way to find stuff out than religion.

But GodsRevolt was quite correct when he said our understanding of science, both the method and the discoveries made using it, are imperfect.