(December 11, 2013 at 10:34 am)FreeTony Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 10:19 am)ChadWooters Wrote: If they believe if Jesus they wouldn't kill someone.

1. They could murder someone, then believe in Jesus later
2. Then can and do. So many examples I could give, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Roede...er_suspect

Cue No True Scotsman...

In addition, there are as many Jesus' as there are believers.

There is no central character called Jesus that exists in a uniform state to everyone who believes in the myth. His attributes mirror the wants and wishes of the believer, just like every god that has ever been invented.

That's why I'm always confused when people talk about believing in the same god. That would require knowing to 100% accuracy what the other person is thinking and imagining regarding that god. Which, of course, is impossible.

Everyone's faith is different, as is what they have 'faith' in.

Not NTS. There is a difference between that belief that resides only in the intellect and the faith that makes you a new creation.

(December 11, 2013 at 12:55 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Not NTS. There is a difference between that belief that resides only in the intellect and the faith that makes you a new creation.

Just be honest and tell us that your faith upholds your belief that killing is bad. Be honest and admit that there are some Christians that kill. They do. It's documented. You don't, and that's great.

(December 11, 2013 at 1:12 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 12:55 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Not NTS. There is a difference between that belief that resides only in the intellect and the faith that makes you a new creation.

Just be honest and tell us that your faith upholds your belief that killing is bad. Be honest and admit that there are some Christians that kill. They do. It's documented. You don't, and that's great.

Killing is bad regardless of the situation, self defense or murder. We Christians believe this because God says it is. A person before they became a Christian may not see killing as bad in some instances, they are changed however after becoming a Christian and should believe killing is bad. I for one believe everyone has a right to self defense even to the point of killing. I believe that a Christian will do everything possible to avoid the situation of killing. I my self have rottweilers as a deterrent to home invasion. As for murder it is forbidden by God.

GC

(December 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 1:12 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Just be honest and tell us that your faith upholds your belief that killing is bad. Be honest and admit that there are some Christians that kill. They do. It's documented. You don't, and that's great.

Killing is bad regardless of the situation, self defense or murder. We Christians believe this because God says it is. A person before they became a Christian may not see killing as bad in some instances, they are changed however after becoming a Christian and should believe killing is bad. I for one believe everyone has a right to self defense even to the point of killing. I believe that a Christian will do everything possible to avoid the situation of killing. I my self have rottweilers as a deterrent to home invasion. As for murder it is forbidden by God.

GC

god is a vile and evil massmurderer..and so are u kristians ..our history books r filled with massacres by u kristians..

(December 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: Killing is bad regardless of the situation, self defense or murder. We Christians believe this because God says it is.

But even if you'd never heard of the bible or christianity you'd know killing is bad. It's the empathy that most people have.

(December 11, 2013 at 4:49 pm)FreeTony Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: Killing is bad regardless of the situation, self defense or murder. We Christians believe this because God says it is.

But even if you'd never heard of the bible or christianity you'd know killing is bad. It's the empathy that most people have.

Why, I bet many do not see killing in self defense as bad. Why would an evolved species see killing as bad.

GC

...Are you a dunce? An evolved species is extremely likely to see killing as bad because it, self-evidently, descreases the number of members of the species and descreases the likelihood of survival. That's why essentially ALL living animals don't kill one another when avoidable, and often ostracize those who do. You see this from even the deadly pirahna to we humans.

(December 11, 2013 at 4:49 pm)FreeTony Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: Killing is bad regardless of the situation, self defense or murder. We Christians believe this because God says it is.

But even if you'd never heard of the bible or christianity you'd know killing is bad. It's the empathy that most people have.

And next you'll be telling us that empathy is a product of evolution...

(December 11, 2013 at 8:57 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 4:49 pm)FreeTony Wrote: But even if you'd never heard of the bible or christianity you'd know killing is bad. It's the empathy that most people have.

Why, I bet many do not see killing in self defense as bad. Why would an evolved species see killing as bad.

GC

It is nonsense to say that the god of the bible sees killing as bad - unless you want to claim that the god is bad as well. THe god killed virtually everyone in the world in the Myth of the great flood - killed Lots wife for merely looking back - killed others in a Passover - and lots of other examples

Where do you get the idea that the god thinks killing is bad? THis is clearly a case of do not do as I do - do as I say!