(December 11, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThomM Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 8:57 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why, I bet many do not see killing in self defense as bad. Why would an evolved species see killing as bad.

GC

It is nonsense to say that the god of the bible sees killing as bad - unless you want to claim that the god is bad as well. THe god killed virtually everyone in the world in the Myth of the great flood - killed Lots wife for merely looking back - killed others in a Passover - and lots of other examples

Where do you get the idea that the god thinks killing is bad? THis is clearly a case of do not do as I do - do as I say!

Generally, Christians make a distinction between killing and murder.

(December 11, 2013 at 10:33 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThomM Wrote: It is nonsense to say that the god of the bible sees killing as bad - unless you want to claim that the god is bad as well. THe god killed virtually everyone in the world in the Myth of the great flood - killed Lots wife for merely looking back - killed others in a Passover - and lots of other examples

Where do you get the idea that the god thinks killing is bad? THis is clearly a case of do not do as I do - do as I say!

Generally, Christians make a distinction between killing and murder.

God gives life Baptism is our immersion in the waters of life. You must be born again. God takes the bio-mechanical body away and then places the soul in a new life. All of our lives are involution for the purpose of evolution. Rising to new life requires death and God has the authority to decide which path is best for us. In all cases, God was taking our own foolishness and raising us to higher states of being. Our current day and age is an example of both righteousness and wickedness.

Few people understand this. All stories in the Bible are parables of raising created sentient beings to righteousness and holiness. It's a process.

We are in the Mother's womb. Mother in Hebrew is Aleph Mem.




Beasts in water, two by two. Both clean (Righteous) and unclean (Wicked). Baptism is the flood and we're still in it.

God is Elohim. Lord is the Son of God. There is a difference.

Luke 3

the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.

Who is the Son of God? The one being raised in the wilderness. He is the bread of life. Who are you in relation?

1 Corinthians 10

16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

The cup is the womb of the mother we pass on to the next generation. The slices of the loaf (Son of God). To blast the Lord of the OT, you blast yourself. Own it and have faith in God.

"The slices of the loaf (Son of God)."

That would explain white and brown and other types of bread.

What do nut loafs represent? The fundamentalists?

(December 11, 2013 at 11:36 pm)Beccs Wrote: "The slices of the loaf (Son of God)."

That would explain white and brown and other types of bread.

What do nut loafs represent? The fundamentalists?

IC wut u did thur.

(December 11, 2013 at 9:22 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: ...Are you a dunce? An evolved species is extremely likely to see killing as bad because it, self-evidently, descreases the number of members of the species and descreases the likelihood of survival. That's why essentially ALL living animals don't kill one another when avoidable, and often ostracize those who do. You see this from even the deadly pirahna to we humans.

Really, all the great cats will kill the young of a female so they can mate with said female. Chimps will kill each other even out of anger, humans kill each other by the millions, fish will set a nest and when the young hatch they will eat them, wolves will kill each other, grizzlies have been seen killing black bears and most male bears will kill young bears, do I need to go farther. None of these ostracize each other for the killing, I've seen the common house cat kill and eat it's young.

GC

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(December 11, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThomM Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 8:57 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why, I bet many do not see killing in self defense as bad. Why would an evolved species see killing as bad.

GC

It is nonsense to say that the god of the bible sees killing as bad - unless you want to claim that the god is bad as well. THe god killed virtually everyone in the world in the Myth of the great flood - killed Lots wife for merely looking back - killed others in a Passover - and lots of other examples

Where do you get the idea that the god thinks killing is bad? THis is clearly a case of do not do as I do - do as I say!

Wrong, wrong and more wrong, those you mention had their lives taken through judgment, justice was served in God's court and will be to the final judgment.

GC

(December 12, 2013 at 1:37 am)Godschild Wrote: Really, all the great cats will kill the young of a female so they can mate with said female. Chimps will kill each other even out of anger, humans kill each other by the millions, fish will set a nest and when the young hatch they will eat them, wolves will kill each other, grizzlies have been seen killing black bears and most male bears will kill young bears, do I need to go farther. None of these ostracize each other for the killing, I've seen the common house cat kill and eat it's young.

GC

All of those examples (except the human) bring about a benefit for the organism doing the killing. It is not pointless at all.

(December 12, 2013 at 3:47 am)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(December 12, 2013 at 1:37 am)Godschild Wrote: Really, all the great cats will kill the young of a female so they can mate with said female. Chimps will kill each other even out of anger, humans kill each other by the millions, fish will set a nest and when the young hatch they will eat them, wolves will kill each other, grizzlies have been seen killing black bears and most male bears will kill young bears, do I need to go farther. None of these ostracize each other for the killing, I've seen the common house cat kill and eat it's young.

GC

All of those examples (except the human) bring about a benefit for the organism doing the killing. It is not pointless at all.

Wrong! Try again.

(December 12, 2013 at 1:50 pm)Godschild Wrote: Wrong! Try again.

It would help to tell me where i'm wrong but ok how about this:

Big cats kill cubs which are not theirs, in order to bring females back into heat. Therefore the male will be able to mate with them and spread his genes. Benefit.

Chimps kill each other to maintain their social hierarchy and group. If one male kills the other in a dominance battle, the stronger will win and the whole group will benefit as a result. Benefit

Fish will eat their young if the young are deemed too weak to survive. Or, they will be eaten because the parent cannot look after them at that time due to conditions such as lack of food etc. Parent fish live to spawn another day. Benefit

Wolves, like chimps will kill each other to maintain their social hierarchy and pack statuses. Benefit

Grizzly bears kill black bears because they compete for the same food. Benefit

Common house cats kill their young because they don't want to take care of them because they either are not ready or don't know how. Waste of time and effort on the cats part. Benefit

You were saying I was wrong....

His claims are all the same: lacking in evidence. Even when he claims you are wrong it's just a baseless assertion.

(December 12, 2013 at 4:06 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(December 12, 2013 at 1:50 pm)Godschild Wrote: Wrong! Try again.

It would help to tell me where i'm wrong but ok how about this:

Big cats kill cubs which are not theirs, in order to bring females back into heat. Therefore the male will be able to mate with them and spread his genes. Benefit.

Killed perfectly healthy cubs that would have matured sooner than his and had a better chance for survival. They do it for one reason to breed.

BW Wrote:Chimps kill each other to maintain their social hierarchy and group. If one male kills the other in a dominance battle, the stronger will win and the whole group will benefit as a result. Benefit

Chimps will hunt and kill other chimps they do not like, they also will kill out of anger.

BW Wrote:Fish will eat their young if the young are deemed too weak to survive. Or, they will be eaten because the parent cannot look after them at that time due to conditions such as lack of food etc. Parent fish live to spawn another day. Benefit

Bull, the male watching the fry will attack and eat healthy fry just because it's hungry.

BW Wrote:Wolves, like chimps will kill each other to maintain their social hierarchy and pack statuses. Benefit

Wrong, wolves seldom kill within the pack it's detrimental to the pack, a pack needs all the members it can get. Wolves will hunt down othe packs or solitary wolves and kill them.

BW Wrote:Grizzly bears kill black bears because they compete for the same food. Benefit

Wrong, grizzlies will kill black bears and the cubs of female grizzlies for food, even when food is plentiful.

BW Wrote:Common house cats kill their young because they don't want to take care of them because they either are not ready or don't know how. Waste of time and effort on the cats part. Benefit

I do not know why common cats kill their young, I've seen them do it and they had litters before.

BW Wrote:You were saying I was wrong....

I still say you're wrong, some of what you said might be true to a very small degree at best.

GC