(January 1, 2014 at 9:32 am)ska88 Wrote:

(January 1, 2014 at 9:25 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: You said the split resulted from Chinese people demanding it and UN allowing it. That's a blatant lie. They were EXPELLED by Malaysia and Singapore wasn't even invited to the voting, Singapore wanted to stay in, they were expelled because Malaysia wants to maintain its crooked laws.

I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'm discriminating against you when you've misrepresented history to make a point.

Well that wasnt a lie .. that one I heard from Aljazeera news!!

Exactly it was Abdullah Alnafisi who said that!!

Hes a great politician .. whatever I have to support this with an evidence if it really wasnt true I'll be more than happy to apologies to u.

Lee Kuan Yew is still alive and well and both nations regularly refer to this part of their history in the politics, this isn't ancient history. Everyone who grew up there knows what happened.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_in_Malaysia

Quote:On August 7, 1965, Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman, seeing no alternative to avoid further bloodshed, advised the Parliament of Malaysia that it should vote to expel Singapore from Malaysia. Despite last-ditch attempts by PAP leaders, including Lee Kuan Yew, to keep Singapore as a state in the union, the Parliament on August 9, 1965 voted 126-0 in favour of the expulsion of Singapore, with members of Parliament from Singapore not present. On that day, a tearful Lee Kuan Yew announced that Singapore was a sovereign, independent nation and assumed the role of prime minister of the new nation. His speech included this quote: "For me, it is a moment of anguish. All my life, my whole adult life, I have believed in merger and unity of the two territories."[4] Hence, Singapore became the only country in the history of the modern world to gain independence against its own will.[5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMV_XX7nV3U&sns=em

Here where I've got this information from

I know its in arabic I'll be happy to translate but I'm giving u the link only to say ..that wasnt a lie .. I heard that on tgis channel by this guy.

Since it is in arabic I will have to take your word for it, which right now isn't worth that much. I'm not interested in an apology nor am I interested in a fight, I just want you to stop talking about things you don't understand and misrepresenting them to support your points because it is dishonest.

ETA: ok, maybe I've been a bit harsh about this. But here's the deal, if you get your knowledge from politician and repeat them to others as "facts" without fact checking, you run the risk of repeating lies. Which is exactly what happened to you here. So my advice to you is to stop taking what people say as fact and actually research them yourself and start being responsible for what you say. As for the history of Singapore and Malaysia, it's common knowledge, my parents even lived through it, I don't know what kind of evidence you want, but you can read all the books that has been written about it.

(January 1, 2014 at 9:07 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(January 1, 2014 at 8:48 am)A Theist Wrote: hmmmmm...that sounds very familiar. We have something very similar to that here in the U.S. We call it "affirmative action". Special rights for a particular racial minority. These folks even have a special day recognized by our government where a lot of employees get the day off work in honor of a particular civil rights leader's birthday. There's also a whole month dedicated to studying the history of said racial minority. Ironically, in our nation of "equality", no other race, but the particular one, has those same government sanctioned rights and privileges...(and it's not the Jews, who suffered far worse atrocities under Nazi Germany).

I don't want start anything but don't cheapen what my people have gone through and are going through by comparing them to the non blacks of the US.

That's not what I was doing. You misunderstood. I just told the truth. If you're sensitive to that, nobody's twisting your arm to read my comments....not wanting to start anything.

(January 1, 2014 at 9:52 am)A Theist Wrote:

(January 1, 2014 at 9:07 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I don't want start anything but don't cheapen what my people have gone through and are going through by comparing them to the non blacks of the US.

That's not what I was doing. You misunderstood. I just told the truth. If you're sensitive to that, nobody's twisting your arm to read my comments....not wanting to start anything.

You are comparing a country that has declared supremacy for muslims over nonmuslims and has made that one of the inviolable principle of their governing with a country with a history of slavery that has black history month and holidays for prominent black figures.

And I'm not "sensitive", Malaysia has been used many times to make many political points, and is misunderstood by almost everyone, I don't like it when people do that. Now I'm just pointing out that saying they're similar is rather absurd. Anyone reading this feel free to look it up, I'm not gonna derail this thread any further.

(January 1, 2014 at 9:32 am)ska88 Wrote:

(January 1, 2014 at 9:25 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: You said the split resulted from Chinese people demanding it and UN allowing it. That's a blatant lie. They were EXPELLED by Malaysia and Singapore wasn't even invited to the voting, Singapore wanted to stay in, they were expelled because Malaysia wants to maintain its crooked laws.

I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'm discriminating against you when you've misrepresented history to make a point.

Well that wasnt a lie .. that one I heard from Aljazeera news!!

Exactly it was Abdullah Alnafisi who said that!!

Hes a great politician .. whatever I have to support this with an evidence if it really wasnt true I'll be more than happy to apologies to u.

What a pleasant man & "great" politician!

(January 1, 2014 at 2:43 am)MarxRaptor Wrote:

(January 1, 2014 at 2:34 am)ska88 Wrote: What is ur evidence that Palestine was empty ? And is that legal taking over someone else's land even if it was empty?

And if they don't care about jews' opinion about creating a land why do they give themselves the right to start a movement that aims to create Israel to gather the jews in it? I mean they dont even care about their opinion ..then why to care about protecting them from antisemitism?

If it was a secular movement that doesnt really care about religion or faith.. then why Jerusalem ? Why they chose the holy land to be theirs? They r not loyal to any religion , then why caring about antisemitism, jews and the temple of Solomon?

U know what .. I'm really interested to hear more explanation .. its the first time I know that they r actually people who justify the existence of zionism I thought even jews dont agree with that! Plz continue .

Because being a Jew doesn't mean being religious. Ever heard if Jewish atheism? I already quoted Golda Meir (who was herself an atheist) on this topic.

Why Jerusalem you ask? Because the Jews have historic secular links to their homeland.

Secular Jews created Israel. Secular Jews are the truest of Zionists!

Quote:Because being a Jew doesn't mean being religious. Ever heard if Jewish atheism?

Well, well, it seems like your good buddy Simon disagrees with you.

And so does history

Quote:Once the term “Jewish state” was put into the Declaration, it exerted a powerful influence on the development of Israel. It reinforces all the exclusivist tendencies — religious and/or nationalist — existing in Israeli society, providing a ready-made justification for discriminating against non-Jews, specifically Arabs, and even secular Jews.
The Supreme Court, a self-proclaimed guardian of Israeli democracy, has compensated for the lack of a written constitution by basing its “judicial activism” on the “principles of the Declaration of Independence” (which has never been enacted into law). It has valiantly tried to square the circle by insisting that Israel is “a Jewish and a democratic state.”

Built-In Discrimination

But what is a “Jewish” state? Early Zionists insisted that the Jews all over the world are a “people” (volk, in German and Yiddish), and that modern, secular nationhood has superseded religion as its unifying factor. Orthodox Jews, whose “Sages of the Tora” cursed the Zionists in the most venomous way, denied this strenuously. It has now been conceded that there can be only a religious definition of this term “Jew.” It is now a principle of Israeli law that a Jew is a person who (a) has been born to a Jewish mother (and, therefore, to a Jewish maternal grandmother), or (b) has converted to Judaism in a religious act, and © has not adopted any other religion. Thus the secular definition of a Jew has been rejected. (This definition, by the way, goes well beyond religious law, according to which a Jew remains a Jew even when he gets himself baptized. “Israel, even when he sins, remains Israel.”)

relevant link

(December 25, 2013 at 12:14 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: Zionists thought the Arabs would be their friends & allies. Herzl even talked of this in the Old New Land. But they did not count on Arab-Islamic racism & hatred. The Arabs actually displaced themselves rather than live in peace with the Jews during the Arab exodus. Then they commenced a war of annihilation & extermination against the Jews, but the Jews won.

All Israel wants is to exist in peace as a Jewish state. Everyone who isn't a racist should support Israel. Those who don't support Israel, and are not racist, have been misled by media bias against Israel.

The non Semitic european immigrants that have set up a white rule over its non european non white area is apartheid. Israel practices apartheid racist oppressive rule over it's conquered and controlled territories. You believe in white supremacy and that somehow these white people should rule over non white people. How long have you been a neo nazi dumbass?

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Israelis are racist white supremacist scum, Israelis are proud of their white supremacism and are not afraid to show it. Marx raptor is a dumbass who needs to be reminded that vide cameras exist....in 2014. How many countless videos made of israeli white citizens spewing racist white supremacist bullshit? YouTube

(January 1, 2014 at 10:26 pm)I and I Wrote:

(December 25, 2013 at 12:14 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: Zionists thought the Arabs would be their friends & allies. Herzl even talked of this in the Old New Land. But they did not count on Arab-Islamic racism & hatred. The Arabs actually displaced themselves rather than live in peace with the Jews during the Arab exodus. Then they commenced a war of annihilation & extermination against the Jews, but the Jews won.

All Israel wants is to exist in peace as a Jewish state. Everyone who isn't a racist should support Israel. Those who don't support Israel, and are not racist, have been misled by media bias against Israel.

The non Semitic european immigrants that have set up a white rule over its non european non white area is apartheid. Israel practices apartheid racist oppressive rule over it's conquered and controlled territories. You believe in white supremacy and that somehow these white people should rule over non white people. How long have you been a neo nazi dumbass?

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Israelis are racist white supremacist scum, Israelis are proud of their white supremacism and are not afraid to show it. Marx raptor is a dumbass who needs to be reminded that vide cameras exist....in 2014. How many countless videos made of israeli white citizens spewing racist white supremacist bullshit? YouTube

How long have you been a genocide denying Stalinist-Maoist dumbass? I have already showed the European Jews are indeed semitic. You are the dumbass!

Also, how ironic is it that you call me a neo-Nazi when you blame Jews for the holocaust.

(January 1, 2014 at 8:48 am)A Theist Wrote: hmmmmm...that sounds very familiar. We have something very similar to that here in the U.S. We call it "affirmative action". Special rights for a particular racial minority. These folks even have a special day recognized by our government where a lot of employees get the day off work in honor of a particular civil rights leader's birthday. There's also a whole month dedicated to studying the history of said racial minority. Ironically, in our nation of "equality", no other race, but the particular one, has those same government sanctioned rights and privileges...(and it's not the Jews, who suffered far worse atrocities under Nazi Germany).

You are a dumb cunt. I would love to debate you on the finer details of redneck existence, but my wife of 19 years (as of yesterday) isn't so stupid as to wrap the recognition of MLK's birthday in such a majority persecution complex (my wife is from rural South Carolina).