(January 22, 2014 at 9:36 am)enrico Wrote:

(January 21, 2014 at 6:00 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Schrödinger's Cat will forever be both dead and alive. If the witnesses can't be verified, neither can the state of the cat. But, we can at least know there IS a cat, and that the cat is killable. As for a magic Jesus, with no witnesses to be verified, well I don't know what Schrödinger would have thought about that. I have a guess, but I doubt Enrico would concur.

You proposed MYTHOLOGICAL stories.
Even a demented idiot would understand that these stories are just stories.
On the other hand i proposed real facts witnessed by thousand of people.
These people are now obviously dead so they can not come knocking your door and say......Hey salesman i was there and i witness those things.
Why should we then believe these things?
Jesus left a legacy of spirituality that lasted for few hundred of years before it turned into dogma and religion.
Spirituality go hand in hand with a practical system that lead to enlightenment and that is what the first Christians were following.
Only someone great could have taught this and someone great can do anything.

Still you stay blind. Hundreds of thousands witness the acts of the Zeus and Neptune. Odysseus left behind his legacy in The odyssey as written by Homer, and not until later were the liars of the Jesus able to turn people away from true Gods. Walk on water is joke. This is a puny God indeed. Hundred of thousands give testament to true Gods of Olympus, there are statues standing today that are older than your Jesus. Jesus is nothing more than copycat. You have been fooled. Even Mohammad speaks this truth in Koran about Jesus being false prophet. Angel tell him so. Most complete idiots could have figured this out, but not for you. You biggest fool. Fool of false Jesus-God.

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This is too funny.

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(January 22, 2014 at 2:53 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Still you stay blind. Hundreds of thousands witness the acts of the Zeus and Neptune. Odysseus left behind his legacy in The odyssey as written by Homer, and not until later were the liars of the Jesus able to turn people away from true Gods. Walk on water is joke. This is a puny God indeed. Hundred of thousands give testament to true Gods of Olympus, there are statues standing today that are older than your Jesus. Jesus is nothing more than copycat. You have been fooled. Even Mohammad speaks this truth in Koran about Jesus being false prophet. Angel tell him so. Most complete idiots could have figured this out, but not for you. You biggest fool. Fool of false Jesus-God.

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This is too funny.

Blasphemy!
Did your puny gods help building pyramids?
Did your puny gods help people survive in desert conditions?
Did your puny gods write the stories of their magnificence on stone?

Ra, Anubis, Horus, Isis, Seth, etc... Those were the true gods, who chose an equally divine representative on Earth to oversee all the puny humans.

...or none. That's the other possibility.

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Yes...yes, and Yes! But ...There's always a "but" isn't there?

(January 22, 2014 at 9:03 am)enrico Wrote:

(January 21, 2014 at 3:08 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Name ten.

Read the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ if you want to know the real story.

Ah. So you can't name ten. Colour me surprised.

And please stop winking at me; I'm not that desperate.

Atwater Wrote:As you learned in previous chapters, Dr. Melvin Morse is an outspoken near-death researcher and pediatrician based in Renton, Washington. After many years of research and hearing thousands of stories, Dr. Morse claims that he's never heard a single account that made him think someone actually "left their body" during an episode.

— P.M.H. Atwater, The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences

Atwater Wrote:The International Association for Near-Death Studies sent out a questionnaire in 1992 inquiring about those who considered themselves to be near-death experiencers. How close had they been to physical death when their episode occurred? ... 37 percent had theirs in a setting unrelated to anything that could be construed as life threatening. ... The 37 percenters claimed to have experiences every bit as real, involved, and life-changing as those that happened to people during death or close-brush-with-death crises; and their reports duplicate or parallel the same spread of scenario types and a pattern of psychological and physiological aftereffects.

— P.M.H. Atwater, The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences

I heard someone say in a Q&A after a debate that in some operating rooms, in which very complicated surgeries are performed, there is a digital monitor located above the table displaying a random number. The only way to read the number would be to have a perspective above the operating table, looking down. If the patient did really leave their body to gain such a perspective, then surely somebody would have some knowledge of this number, or at least the oddly placed monitor displaying a number. But so far...Nuh uh. Claims of looking down on their bodies were made, but no such account has been given. Would be cool though! I think it was Sam Harris that was talking about it, not sure though.

(January 22, 2014 at 2:53 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: You biggest fool. Fool of false Jesus-God.

Jesus never said that he was God.
You are running too fast with your fantasy.
On the other hand you miss the most important points in this issue.
The first Christian that were following Jesus spirituality were so strong mentally and spiritually that in order to go along with their believes they were prepared to be eaten alive by beasts in the arena.
If Jesus never existed or wouldn't have shown and teach spirituality then nobody would have sacrificed themselves in such a brutal manner.
This is very far away with the Greek mythology in which those stories were written in order to teach people how to live better by giving good examples.
Also the Mahabhrarata .......
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topi...ahabharata
........was written in order to teach people about the good and the bad.
Something in these mithological stories may have been taken from real events but all in all it is a mistake to take these stories for real.
Just imagine how could a wooden horse full of fighters could enter Troy!
You can believe these stories at your own mental risk, i don't.

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(January 23, 2014 at 3:39 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: I heard someone say in a Q&A after a debate that in some operating rooms, in which very complicated surgeries are performed, there is a digital monitor located above the table displaying a random number. The only way to read the number would be to have a perspective above the operating table, looking down. If the patient did really leave their body to gain such a perspective, then surely somebody would have some knowledge of this number, or at least the oddly placed monitor displaying a number. But so far...Nuh uh. Claims of looking down on their bodies were made, but no such account has been given. Would be cool though! I think it was Sam Harris that was talking about it, not sure though.

I already wrote about these types of things in previous posts in which NDE people saw things that later described to nurses and staff in the hospital.
A pity that you guys come back again and again with the same issues.

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(January 23, 2014 at 1:48 pm)rasetsu Wrote: (alias yogini)

Atwater Wrote:As you learned in previous chapters, Dr. Melvin Morse is an outspoken near-death researcher and pediatrician based in Renton, Washington. After many years of research and hearing thousands of stories, Dr. Morse claims that he's never heard a single account that made him think someone actually "left their body" during an episode.

— P.M.H. Atwater, The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences

Atwater Wrote:The International Association for Near-Death Studies sent out a questionnaire in 1992 inquiring about those who considered themselves to be near-death experiencers. How close had they been to physical death when their episode occurred? ... 37 percent had theirs in a setting unrelated to anything that could be construed as life threatening. ... The 37 percenters claimed to have experiences every bit as real, involved, and life-changing as those that happened to people during death or close-brush-with-death crises; and their reports duplicate or parallel the same spread of scenario types and a pattern of psychological and physiological aftereffects.

— P.M.H. Atwater, The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences

Atwater being a good and fair researcher take in consideration all point of view that is why she report the point of view of everybody even those who do not agree with NDE seeing God and afterlife.
So your point in showing that there are skeptics means nothing at all.

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(January 22, 2014 at 3:04 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Blasphemy!
Did your puny gods help building pyramids?
Did your puny gods help people survive in desert conditions?
Did your puny gods write the stories of their magnificence on stone?
Ra, Anubis, Horus, Isis, Seth, etc... Those were the true gods, who chose an equally divine representative on Earth to oversee all the puny humans.

P.R.Sarkar said.......i give you spirituality but everybody want something material.
That is the problem pocaracas.
You will not find God or any gurus that will help you to build pyramids or any other material things that you talk about.
Any good father before he will give the keys of his car to his son would first make sure that he knows how to drive the car.
At the same time God or any guru before they would give their power to their sons-daughters will make sure that these kids are able to handle the power and the only way is to have a strong spiritual foundation.
Capish?

(January 22, 2014 at 4:15 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(January 22, 2014 at 9:03 am)enrico Wrote: Read the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ if you want to know the real story.

Ah. So you can't name ten. Colour me surprised.

As a detective you would be a total failure.
What a good detective would do when he can't get 100% solid evidence?
He would try to build up a mosaic that represent some or total evidence with whatever he got.
So piece by piece he would build this mosaic.
Now as i just explain to R.salesman we got these first Christians who were prepared to be eaten alive by beasts in the arena.
This is a good piece of evidence that show that Jesus was teaching a very strong spirituality capable of overcoming the physical reality.
Also the gospel of Jesus the Christ is a good way to know about Jesus extraordinary things.
Why is that?
Because what is written in this book go hand in hand with what is taught by Shiva, Krishna and many other great personality.

Quote:And please stop winking at me; I'm not that desperate.

Again you show that you wouldn't be a good detective.
You came to a quick conclusion thinking that a wink means a certain thing but you find difficult to imagine that to me this wink mean something else.
Some people wink to somebody else in order to tell them.....YOU SEE I MAKE YOU FOOL ONCE AGAIN.
But please don't ask me what i mean.

(January 24, 2014 at 9:29 am)enrico Wrote:

(January 22, 2014 at 3:04 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Blasphemy!
Did your puny gods help building pyramids?
Did your puny gods help people survive in desert conditions?
Did your puny gods write the stories of their magnificence on stone?
Ra, Anubis, Horus, Isis, Seth, etc... Those were the true gods, who chose an equally divine representative on Earth to oversee all the puny humans.

P.R.Sarkar said.......i give you spirituality but everybody want something material.
That is the problem pocaracas.
You will not find God or any gurus that will help you to build pyramids or any other material things that you talk about.
Any good father before he will give the keys of his car to his son would first make sure that he knows how to drive the car.
At the same time God or any guru before they would give their power to their sons-daughters will make sure that these kids are able to handle the power and the only way is to have a strong spiritual foundation.
Capish?

Oh, I capish very well...
I capish that spirituality is that warm fuzzy feeling of inner peace and other similar things.
I capish that spirituality is all in your head.

"I give you (warm fuzzy feelings) but everybody wants something material".
This sentence doesn't work so well, now does it?

I want to know how the material interactions arrive at the "warm fuzzy feelings). Go, do science, find out... teach others how to do it.
Now this being stuck in the rut of calling spirituality and driver of the car and whatnot... that's just an excuse to do nothing... to shut down your own curiosity.

Enrico, everything you've said is intellectually bankrupt. There is no evidence to support your claims, you've ignored every objection I raised against your ideas, and have been unable to describe the nature of this "nonphysical stuff" or even map out anything its necessarily responsible for. You haven't eliminated material explanations or reconciled the complete incompatibility of what you believe with reality. You are either a complete loon, and the epitome of delusional, or you're stupid. You continue to drone on and on about senseless concepts without establishing a single bit validity that make them coherent thoughts. If you make some sense here, I'd gladly concede your points. But you aren't making ANY points, nor are you making attempts at rational discourse. You just insist on repeating the same stupid things that have already been ripped apart by literally everyone on here, and you ignore all of the objections only to repeat yourself again. What you HAVE accomplished is give me plenty of reasons to make 1 of 2 conclusions about you. 1) You are delusional 2) You're a complete fucking idiot. Unless, and until you decide to respond to the things that people say to you, I must either assume that your delusion prevents you from recognizing the crippling flaws in your beliefs which would support you being delusional, or the latter conclusion, you are literally to fucking stupid realize how fucking stupid you are.


Cool defense mechanisms BTW ^^^^^