(January 26, 2014 at 8:19 am)enrico Wrote: After R.salesman wrote.............Hundreds of thousands witness the acts of the Zeus and Neptune. Odysseus left behind his legacy in The odyssey as written by Homer..........you post something but did not comment about what R.salesman said.
Now being in a forum you either agree or disagree with what the participants say unless you are a zombie that got in this forum for unknown reasons.

Yes that's quite correct, I'm a zombie with over three years membership who just so happens to have racked up nearly nine thousand posts with a kudos ratio of 2.25, a reputation rating forty-three times yours and regarded well enough by the community to have been offered a Staff position. Misrepresenting my character in an attempt to discredit my words - an ad hominem attack - only results in judgement being drawn about your own.

(January 26, 2014 at 8:19 am)enrico Wrote: If you make no comment about what the people say then i have to come to the conclusion that you either agree with what was said or you are a zombies that got in this thread by unknown reasons.
Of course you never said that the fighters got inside Troy in a wooden horse following R.Salesman ideas so in this case if we follow the statement of what was said then i certainly will have to apologize and in this sense i do apologize on the other hand i do not believe for a minute in your professional honesty as if you wouldn't agree with what R.Salesman said you should have said so.

I will not be deflected by your red herrings, except inasmuch to deliver the following for your education: if I make no comment about another member's post when I am addressing yours, the intellectually honest position is to form no opinion at all about my motives. That you have chosen to do the opposite is most revealing.

(January 26, 2014 at 8:19 am)enrico Wrote: As far as you asking me to provide witnesses about Jesus extraordinary things the only way to understand what really happened is to follow logic and the evidence that we got so far.

No, you stated that there were many such witnesses, without offering any further details. I asked you to name some of them. Why is this so hard for you to get through your skull? Could it be (gasp; horror) that you have nothing more to offer than bald and baseless assertions in a futile attempt to appear learned?

(January 26, 2014 at 8:19 am)enrico Wrote: The logic is that the first Christians would not have gone through the martyrdom unless they were given a tremendous mental and spiritual force coming from Jesus teaching.
Considering that these teaching delivered such a tremendous strength i presume that the teacher had tremendous power able to do extraordinary things.
This is logic.

No, this is more bald assertion and sheer bafflegab. How can you justify claiming that these early xtians wouldn't have suffered and died (evidence for which is nonexistent anyway) unless Jesus was a tremendous spiritual teacher? What about the 9/11 hijackers? Would they have died for a lie?

(January 26, 2014 at 8:19 am)enrico Wrote: As far as testimonials there are plenty.
http://www.jaysromanhistory.com/romeweb/...rslion.htm

I could supply testimonials that penis enlargers and Nigerian princes are genuine. In order for anyone to take them seriously, first you need to demonstrate that they are credible and even then there has to be independent corroborating evidence; particularly when the only reference to these witnesses is one brief passage in one source book of highly dubious credibility.

This whole thing is pointless, Enrico's ego is far too big and sensitive to allow him a moments consideration of being wrong. Its all just denial denial denial

(January 26, 2014 at 11:16 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: This whole thing is pointless, Enrico's ego is far too big and sensitive to allow him a moments consideration of being wrong. Its all just denial denial denial

It's not his ego that I doubt.

He argues that consciousness is a driver that can survive the wreck. When asked how he knows this, he refers to a book on NDEs. When shown what the book says, he refers back to his assertions about consciousness' properties. It's just circular reasoning by a brain dead moron.

Nothing enrico has said shows the slightest bit of intelligence.

(January 26, 2014 at 10:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: I'm a zombie with over three years membership who just so happens to have racked up nearly nine thousand posts with a kudos ratio of 2.25, a reputation rating forty-three times yours and regarded well enough by the community to have been offered a Staff position. Misrepresenting my character in an attempt to discredit my words - an ad hominem attack - only results in judgement being drawn about your own.

You are very funny Stimbo.
Go in a Theist forum and see how many kudos you will get.
Sometime ago i have been in the catholic forum.
I lasted just over one month before they kicked me out.
Don't you think it is natural to be welcome in a forum in which you agree with their policy?

Quote:I will not be deflected by your red herrings, except inasmuch to deliver the following for your education: if I make no comment about another member's post when I am addressing yours, the intellectually honest position is to form no opinion at all about my motives. That you have chosen to do the opposite is most revealing.

You can do whatever you like but this is not the real spirit of a forum in which there suppose to exist an exchange of ideas all around.
I always try my best to answer to everybody unless i agree with what they say.

Quote:No, you stated that there were many such witnesses, without offering any further details. I asked you to name some of them. Why is this so hard for you to get through your skull? Could it be (gasp; horror) that you have nothing more to offer than bald and baseless assertions in a futile attempt to appear learned?

I already answered this question telling you that i believe in what is written in the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus Christ.
If you don't believe in what is written you are free to provide evidence that this book say bullshit.
I follow logic and what is written in this book follow logic.

Quote:How can you justify claiming that these early xtians wouldn't have suffered and died (evidence for which is nonexistent anyway) unless Jesus was a tremendous spiritual teacher? What about the 9/11 hijackers? Would they have died for a lie?

Where is the evidence that there were hijackers?
On the contrary there is evidence that 3 Israeli agents were watching with the binoculars the twin towers and as soon as the planes hit the towers they jump up in the air in joy.

Quote:I could supply testimonials that penis enlargers and Nigerian princes are genuine. In order for anyone to take them seriously, first you need to demonstrate that they are credible and even then there has to be independent corroborating evidence; particularly when the only reference to these witnesses is one brief passage in one source book of highly dubious credibility.

Of course.
Everything that does not go along with your believes is highly dubious.
What's new Stimbo!

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(January 26, 2014 at 11:16 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: This whole thing is pointless, Enrico's ego is far too big and sensitive to allow him a moments consideration of being wrong. Its all just denial denial denial

Sure, sure but what about the evidence that life is finite!
How long more i will have to wait?

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(January 26, 2014 at 12:29 pm)rasetsu Wrote:

(January 26, 2014 at 11:16 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: This whole thing is pointless, Enrico's ego is far too big and sensitive to allow him a moments consideration of being wrong. Its all just denial denial denial

It's not his ego that I doubt.

He argues that consciousness is a driver that can survive the wreck. When asked how he knows this, he refers to a book on NDEs. When shown what the book says, he refers back to his assertions about consciousness' properties. It's just circular reasoning by a brain dead moron.

Nothing enrico has said shows the slightest bit of intelligence.

Alias Yogini, it seems that you like misquoting me all the time.
You say that i believe in such a thing on the basis that is written on that book when in fact i mention one main reason for saying that the driver does not follow the wreck.
First of all is that i follow logic and logic show that to get the degree of consciousness that human being got it takes long long time so reincarnation is the only way to achieve that consciousness and if reincarnation exist then it is quite natural that the car and the driver are two separate things.
Secondly is a reality that in life nothing come for free so it is natural that the consciousness that we get when we born come from previous lives and again if this is the case it is natural that the I and consciousness does not die when the body die.
All you do is trying to throw mud on me not realizing that it boomerang back to you.

(January 27, 2014 at 9:57 am)enrico Wrote: Sure, sure but what about the evidence that life is finite!
How long more i will have to wait?

How long more must we wait for evidence that life in infinite?

Not a single person that I know who has died has returned to provide, at the very least, an account of that infinite part of life that you claim to be there...

(January 27, 2014 at 10:28 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(January 27, 2014 at 9:57 am)enrico Wrote: Sure, sure but what about the evidence that life is finite!
How long more i will have to wait?

How long more must we wait for evidence that life in infinite?

Excuse me but i do follow your policy which say that if you claim something you got to back it up with evidence.
I am not the one who said that life is finite so is Bad wolf and who ever claim this that got to come up with evidence, right?

Quote:Not a single person that I know who has died has returned to provide, at the very least, an account of that infinite part of life that you claim to be there...

How do you know that you have not being reincarnated?
How do you know that you never lived before?

(January 27, 2014 at 10:35 am)enrico Wrote: Excuse me but i do follow your policy which say that if you claim something you got to back it up with evidence.
I am not the one who said that life is finite so is Bad wolf and who ever claim this that got to come up with evidence, right?

I've told you many times why you are wrong on this point, but I can't be bothered any more, so every time you bring this up, i'm just going to say that you are wrong.
You are wrong.

(January 27, 2014 at 10:35 am)enrico Wrote: How do you know that you have not being reincarnated?
How do you know that you never lived before?

How do you know that you have been reincarnated?
How do you know that you have lived before?

(January 27, 2014 at 9:57 am)enrico Wrote:

Quote:What about the 9/11 hijackers? Would they have died for a lie?

Where is the evidence that there were hijackers?
On the contrary there is evidence that 3 Israeli agents were watching with the binoculars the twin towers and as soon as the planes hit the towers they jump up in the air in joy.

Wow. And here I thought it couldn't get any more stupid. Fuck was I ever wrong.

Wow. This thread is still going?!

(January 27, 2014 at 12:05 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Wow. This thread is still going?!

Define "going."