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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
March 3, 2014 at 2:06 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 1:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Trust me, that has been thoroughly explained in this thread.
No offense to you personally, but my experience here has shown that "thoroughly explained" means something different to me than it does to the religious. Care to elaborate?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
March 3, 2014 at 2:40 pm
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(March 3, 2014 at 2:06 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (March 3, 2014 at 1:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Trust me, that has been thoroughly explained in this thread.
No offense to you personally, but my experience here has shown that "thoroughly explained" means something different to me than it does to the religious. Care to elaborate?
Sure ill just copy/paste what I wrote earlier.
why we are no longer under the law:
Galatians 3:
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith,
27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Only those "in Christ" are no longer under the law. The laws only purpose is to put you under condemnation and show that you are a sinner, it has no saving qualities. Think of it as a policeman, if you are accused of breaking the law, it's only job is to bring you to the judge.
Ezekiel 18:20-23
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
As you can see the penalty for sin is death (eternal separation from God), so either you had to die or something died in your place. This is where the sacrificial lamb comes in, except that the blood of an animal had no power to change the nature of the offender. in other words the sinner still had the same desire to sin that got him in trouble in the first place.
John 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
So now comes Jesus Christ who being born in a stable (symbolizing him as a lamb), "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved" (John 3:17). His blood has the power to transform the sinner removing the desire to sin, by having his nature replace the nature of the sinners.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So now when the sinner accepts Christ and recieves his spirit , he exists in a state of "grace" (unmerited favor), because now when God looks at Him he doesn't see the sinner he sees Christ (perfection). Which means he cannot be judged under the law, because he is found blameless.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
This btw is exactly what the Jewish passover was about, being passed over for judgement by applying the blood of a lamb to their doorposts.
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
March 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm
You fucking dishonest scumbag.
Huggy74:
Quote:If you ever watched Downton Abby you would find that some find being a servant for some great house an honor. Is that immoral?
Here, you started comparing servants in Dowton abby, with slaves, you fucking dumbass.
I said:
Quote:They were servants, not slaves. They were paid. They were free to quit whenever they wanted. And they were not allowed to be beaten to within an inch of their lives. Dumbass. It is not the same at all.
Then you said:
Quote:they were paid a pittance. here is part of a post I found describing life in that time period.
And it was to this that I replied, when I said, it doesn't matter, they weren't slaves.
You are a fucking dishonest piece of scum and you are going to get banned soon and shame on Fr0d0 for liking this shit
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
March 3, 2014 at 4:27 pm
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(March 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: You fucking dishonest scumbag.
Huggy74:
Quote:If you ever watched Downton Abby you would find that some find being a servant for some great house an honor. Is that immoral?
Here, you started comparing servants in Dowton abby, with slaves, you fucking dumbass.
I said:
Quote:They were servants, not slaves. They were paid. They were free to quit whenever they wanted. And they were not allowed to be beaten to within an inch of their lives. Dumbass. It is not the same at all.
Then you said:
Quote:they were paid a pittance. here is part of a post I found describing life in that time period.
And it was to this that I replied, when I said, it doesn't matter, they weren't slaves.
You are a fucking dishonest piece of scum and you are going to get banned soon and shame on Fr0d0 for liking this shit
Geeze, I can't event get you to Acknowledge that you wrote what you wrote, let alone a God.
Here I took a screenshot for you.....
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
March 3, 2014 at 4:29 pm
And what is your point?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
March 3, 2014 at 4:37 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 4:29 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And what is your point?
LOL are you serious? You claimed that you never wrote what I quoted from your post, crying for the mods to ban me. when I post evidence, all you have to say is "and what is your point?"
like I said, pure comedy. 
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
March 3, 2014 at 4:45 pm
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(March 3, 2014 at 4:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: LOL are you serious? You claimed that you never wrote what I quoted from your post, crying for the mods to ban me. when I post evidence, all you have to say is "and what is your point?"
like I said, pure comedy.
And yet again you are lying and misrepresenting me. I never said, I didn't say any of that stuff. I said that you took a series of sentences of mine and made them look like answers to your sentence in an effort to make me look stupid and a hypocrite for talking about semantics. Go back and actually read what I wrote, or do you have trouble reading?
And you didn't answer me, what was the point in all this?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
March 3, 2014 at 5:01 pm
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(March 3, 2014 at 4:45 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (March 3, 2014 at 4:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: LOL are you serious? You claimed that you never wrote what I quoted from your post, crying for the mods to ban me. when I post evidence, all you have to say is "and what is your point?"
like I said, pure comedy.
And yet again you are lying and misrepresenting me. I never said, I didn't say any of that stuff. I said that you took a series of sentences of mine and made them look like answers to your sentence in an effort to make me look stupid and a hypocrite for talking about semantics. Go back and actually read what I wrote, or do you have trouble reading?
And you didn't answer me, what was the point in all this?
actually your words were..
(March 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: How fucking dare you. That is not how the conversation went. You have purposefully misrepresented my position and manipulated the text. Mods are you seeing this? Fucking pathetic. and
(March 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: You fucking dishonest scumbag.
Look closely at the screenshot.
Do you see where you saying servant/slave is "semantics" and "Pathetic word games?"
Now at the bottom of the page do you see where you wrote..
"Its irrelevant how much they were paid. They were servants, not slaves."
making yourself look stupid and hypocritical (your words).
The point is, I think I'm owed an apology, you know, for basically being called a liar and all.
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
March 3, 2014 at 5:11 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 5:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: actually your words were..
(March 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: You fucking dishonest scumbag.
Look closely at the screenshot.
Do you see where you saying servant/slave is "semantics" and "Pathetic word games?"
Now at the bottom of the page do you see where you wrote..
"Its irrelevant how much they were paid. They were servants, not slaves."
making yourself look stupid and hypocritical (your words).
The point is, I think I'm owed an apology, you know, for basically being called a liar and all.
What I did, wasn't playing semantics at all. You were literally calling servants, slaves.....
You were completely denying slavery in the bible because your bible uses the word 'servant' instead of the word 'slave'. Despite all the verses that demonstrate that they were in fact slaves. That is playing semantics. Calling you out on your bullshit, isn't playing semantics. Servant and Slave have different meanings. Learn them.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Slavery (on Thursdays)
March 3, 2014 at 5:41 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 5:11 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: What I did, wasn't playing semantics at all. You were literally calling servants, slaves.....
You were completely denying slavery in the bible because your bible uses the word 'servant' instead of the word 'slave'. Despite all the verses that demonstrate that they were in fact slaves. That is playing semantics. Calling you out on your bullshit, isn't playing semantics. Servant and Slave have different meanings. Learn them.
let me see if I got this straight, you're saying the that because the Bible version that I have says "servant" instead of "slave", it doesn't matter, that's semantics. But "Servant" and "Slave" have different meanings?
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