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Ok I admit it
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 (March 4, 2014 at 1:37 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote:(March 4, 2014 at 1:23 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: There's a cure for that. You don't even have to stop being a Christian to stop believing in hell. Check out Universalism. What if you're wrong now? We all roll the dice and take our chances. No matter what you believe, there will always be a competing belief system that says you're risking divine judgment. 
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (March 4, 2014 at 1:46 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Honestly at the end of the day it's all just because my parents are so infinitely confident about it. I just don't know how to accept that all this stuff they've talked about all these years and that is such a big part of their lives is completely incorrect. Whenever I ask them why they believe, they either shut me off completely or give me some vague bull answer about the "spiritual realm". If someone could honestly show me a scientific explination of how someone could think they saw an angel despite being fully concious, and not near-death.The brain is an incredible visual engine, its programmed to see things like that. That's why we can see shapes in clouds and tea leaves and crystal balls. That's why we can see faces in random places like tree branches or on brick walls. The brain also goes wrong a lot of the time as well. hallucinogens could explain seeing something that isn't there. Also, quite a few mental disorders can explain this
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech (March 4, 2014 at 1:46 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: If someone could honestly show me a scientific explination of how someone could think they saw an angel despite being fully concious, and not near-death. They could be lying. They could be remembering the incident inaccurately, due to suggestion, wishful thinking, or some other cause. They could have seen something, and been mistaken about what it was. They could be hallucinating, from some medical or psychiatric cause.  (March 4, 2014 at 1:51 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:(March 4, 2014 at 1:46 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Honestly at the end of the day it's all just because my parents are so infinitely confident about it. I just don't know how to accept that all this stuff they've talked about all these years and that is such a big part of their lives is completely incorrect. Whenever I ask them why they believe, they either shut me off completely or give me some vague bull answer about the "spiritual realm". If someone could honestly show me a scientific explination of how someone could think they saw an angel despite being fully concious, and not near-death.The brain is an incredible visual engine, its programmed to see things like that. That's why we can see shapes in clouds and tea leaves and crystal balls. That's why we can see faces in random places like tree branches or on brick walls. The brain also goes wrong a lot of the time as well. hallucinogens could explain seeing something that isn't there. Also, quite a few mental disorders can explain this This wasn't a vague sighting though, she very clearly saw him, there was not question about it, it didn't appear in some piece of furniture or something, he was simply standing there, plainly for the eye to see.  (March 4, 2014 at 1:57 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: This wasn't a vague sighting though, she very clearly saw him, there was not question about it, it didn't appear in some piece of furniture or something, he was simply standing there, plainly for the eye to see. So she says, but the human memory isn't as accurate as you might think. Our memories inflate in importance, warp to fit the narrative we want to be true, and are just generally tainted by our perception. Embellishments just happen, dude: what might have been a flash in the corner of the eye becomes a clear, eye contact visualization over repeated tellings of the story. You need to let go of this idea that human experience is perfect or always worthy of attention. It's just not; we have entire fields of study dedicated to refining our own personal experiences down to just the facts.
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(March 4, 2014 at 2:08 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(March 4, 2014 at 1:57 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: This wasn't a vague sighting though, she very clearly saw him, there was not question about it, it didn't appear in some piece of furniture or something, he was simply standing there, plainly for the eye to see. She is absolutely, 100% certain she clearly saw him for more than just a faint glance of an eye. She is as certain as possible, it wasn't just a vague thing she only faintly saw.
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (March 4, 2014 at 2:14 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: But my mom is completely normal mentally. Once again, you miss the point. My point was that certainty doesn't count for shit. And how do you know your mom is completely normal mentally, because she hasn't been diagnosed with anything?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech |
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