(March 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 6, 2014 at 4:34 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: Therefore, the "metaphysical action" didn't happen

How are you going to test for it?

Do you have any metaphysical measuring devices?

Might be a formula hidden in the bible.. it seems everything else is

You think?

(March 6, 2014 at 4:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You think?

Yes.. in the middle of the bible.. its between blow and the story of job.. DA!

(March 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 6, 2014 at 4:34 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: Therefore, the "metaphysical action" didn't happen

How are you going to test for it?

Do you have any metaphysical measuring devices?

Don't have to. Burden of proof, yo.
This reminds me a lot of the Dragon in Carl Sagan's garage...

So please explain to me how I have the burden of proof. Then explain to me what metaphysical proof would be acceptable to you.

You made a positive claim stating that you knew that the metaphysical action didn't happen. So please now explain to us all how you came to that knowledge. Show your workings and any evidence relevant to your discovery.

(March 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Sheeshk I guess you really don't get it.

There nothing magical about it. Any physical object we project metaphysical process to cannot have proof of the metaphysical action. Otherwise it couldn't be be a metaphysical action.

Unless you have an alternate understanding of metaphysical.

Is it really that hard?

The effects of the metaphysical action would be testable.

If theists claim their god answers prayers, they would have some effect from these answered prayers that non-prayers would not have.

Ok, I made a positive claim that the metaphysical action didn't happen. I'll concede that was wrong. I can't prove it.

Neither can you prove it did.

Therefore, we stick with the null hypothesis, right?

(March 6, 2014 at 4:39 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 6, 2014 at 4:34 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: Therefore, the "metaphysical action" didn't happen

How are you going to test for it?

Do you have any metaphysical measuring devices?

Does your god's metaphysical actions manifest in reality?

If they do, the results of the actions are testable.

If they don't, how would you demonstrate the difference between your god's metaphysical actions that don't manifest in reality, and nonexistent metaphysical actions?

(March 6, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: The effects of the metaphysical action would be testable.

If theists claim their god answers prayers, they would have some effect from these answered prayers that non-prayers would not have.

1. Like I said, his would you test for it?

2. Again, how do you test?

(March 6, 2014 at 5:24 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(March 6, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: The effects of the metaphysical action would be testable.

If theists claim their god answers prayers, they would have some effect from these answered prayers that non-prayers would not have.

1. Like I said, his would you test for it?

2. Again, how do you test?

Depends on what is being prayed for.