Name one. I want to cross-examine!

(March 13, 2014 at 11:10 am)Revelation777 Wrote: His apostles believed in him so much that they gave up their lives. Over 500 witnessed Him post resurrection.

Yep, that certainly is written down in a single book, the sole purpose of which is to get you to believe that this happened and worship Jesus. That's where that was written down.

And nowhere else.

If you lived in Odin's day, how would you have responded?

JesusHChrist: "In ye olden tymes, 500 seems to be the magick number."

And forty and multiples thereof.

(March 13, 2014 at 12:34 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 11:10 am)Revelation777 Wrote: His apostles believed in him so much that they gave up their lives. Over 500 witnessed Him post resurrection.

Yep, that certainly is written down in a single book, the sole purpose of which is to get you to believe that this happened and worship Jesus. That's where that was written down.

And nowhere else.

Are there not things written down in History books and Science books that you have never seen but you believe it? What if the people who wrote those books made it all up?

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(March 13, 2014 at 11:10 am)Kitanetos Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 11:08 am)Revelation777 Wrote: I don't need empirical evidence that He existed when I know how he changed my life and many others.

Attributing an idea to your life changing experience does not make the idea real. People daily change their lives for the better in secular ways, but they are not ignorantly attributing the constructs which changed them to deific hogwash.

I guess it would be a personal experience that can't be understood unless another experienced the same event and process.

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(March 13, 2014 at 11:36 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 10:20 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I believe He rose and so do many others. I believe Jesus is who He said He is.

I believe Harry Potter is who he says he is (and that he is who other people say he is). Does that make Harry Potter real?

(March 13, 2014 at 11:10 am)Revelation777 Wrote: His apostles believed in him so much that they gave up their lives.

Who would die for a lie? Well, lots of people. For lots of reasons.
http://atheistexperience.blogspot.com/20...rtyrs.html

Quote:Over 500 witnessed Him post resurrection.

Over 500 people witnessed Harry defeating Voldemort in the Great Hall at Hogwarts castle in June of 1997.

Appealing to the number of witnesses doesn't make a thing true.

Maybe that is why Jesus said, blessed are those who believe and have not seen.

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(March 13, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Darkstar Wrote: If you lived in Odin's day, how would you have responded?

Jesus judgement of the wicked comes in the future. There is still time for the wicked to repent as in Noah's day. They scorned him too until the flood came than it wasn't that funny.

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(March 13, 2014 at 1:44 am)Faith No More Wrote: After seeing Jesus turn water into wine, I would ask him what other drugs he can conjure up.

Don't put the Lord God to the test. He has done far greater miracles than that.

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(March 12, 2014 at 10:49 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:

(March 12, 2014 at 10:49 pm)Beccs Wrote: Revs: the claim that Jesus rose from his grave is just that, a claim.

There are many other god figures who supposedly also rose from the grave.

Plus several vampires and voodoo zombies.

Quite an impact Jesus made,,,don't see many others who turned the world upside down with their life.

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(March 12, 2014 at 10:57 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:

(March 10, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Not that you believe, but let's just say that you lived and witness Jesus as He is described in Scripture. Out of curiosity, you listened to Him speak, you saw him heal, you witnessed the miracles, etc. How would you of reacted?

I'd probably ask Jesus to do something worthwhile with his time, like solving world hunger or eliminating all disease, since you know, all it would take for him is a thought and a prayer.

I could be the best debater in the world and convince no one, but a hard heart will likely reject the truth of Jesus Christ.

were u there when jesus did miracles??

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Jesus judgement of the wicked comes in the future.

Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But, Odin has already ended the ice giants. What more proof do you need? All hail Odin! (See what I did there? Ice giants, hail...uhh, never mind)

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(March 13, 2014 at 5:11 pm)truthBtold Wrote: were u there when jesus did miracles??

"There's this book..."

(March 13, 2014 at 5:12 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Jesus judgement of the wicked comes in the future.

Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But, Odin has already ended the ice giants. What more proof do you need? All hail Odin! (See what I did there? Ice giants, hail...uhh, never mind)

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(March 13, 2014 at 5:11 pm)truthBtold Wrote: were u there when jesus did miracles??

"There's this book..."

Hhmm.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Are there not things written down in History books and Science books that you have never seen but you believe it? What if the people who wrote those books made it all up?

They could have made it all up. That's why historians don't treat something from a single source as settled fact. They look for other sources that corroborate the claim. This is precisely what the story of Jesus lacks.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Maybe that is why Jesus said, blessed are those who believe and have not seen.

To get people to believe his story with insufficient evidence by promising a cookie for people who do (the cookie itself also to be believed in on insufficient evidence). That doesn't sound much like the supernatural claims of any other religion except all of them.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Don't put the Lord God to the test. He has done far greater miracles than that.

And the longer ago they were (and thus harder to verify) the greater they were. Creating the universe, creating life, creating humans, drowning the world, stopping the sun, causing plagues, raining mana, raising the dead, healing the sick, walking on water, appearing on toast...anyone else see a pattern here? Even if you grant the existence of God, he seems to be running out of steam.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Quite an impact Jesus made,,,don't see many others who turned the world upside down with their life.

Not many. Siddhartha, Mohammed (catching up even though Christians had an 800 year head-start), a few others. He had an impact, although the emperor Constantine seems to have had as much to do with that as Jesus did.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I could be the best debater in the world and convince no one, but a hard heart will likely reject the truth of Jesus Christ.

Have you ever thought about how really convenient that excuse is?

(March 13, 2014 at 5:35 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Are there not things written down in History books and Science books that you have never seen but you believe it? What if the people who wrote those books made it all up?

They could have made it all up. That's why historians don't treat something from a single source as settled fact. They look for other sources that corroborate the claim. This is precisely what the story of Jesus lacks.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Maybe that is why Jesus said, blessed are those who believe and have not seen.

To get people to believe his story with insufficient evidence by promising a cookie for people who do (the cookie itself also to be believed in on insufficient evidence). That doesn't sound much like the supernatural claims of any other religion except all of them.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Don't put the Lord God to the test. He has done far greater miracles than that.

And the longer ago they were (and thus harder to verify) the greater they were. Creating the universe, creating life, creating humans, drowning the world, stopping the sun, causing plagues, raining mana, raising the dead, healing the sick, walking on water, appearing on toast...anyone else see a pattern here? Even if you grant the existence of God, he seems to be running out of steam.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Quite an impact Jesus made,,,don't see many others who turned the world upside down with their life.

Not many. Siddhartha, Mohammed (catching up even though Christians had an 800 year head-start), a few others. He had an impact, although the emperor Constantine seems to have had as much to do with that as Jesus did.

(March 13, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I could be the best debater in the world and convince no one, but a hard heart will likely reject the truth of Jesus Christ.

Have you ever thought about how really convenient that excuse is?

Also people couldn't leave their homes, it seems, during the days of the OT without experiencing a sign from god. And then, later in the bible (I can't remember the passage) it states that faith is what's important and god will no longer make personal appearances or provide signs.

SO, I usually say:

Thousands of years ago: god can create the entire universe in only seven days
5000 years ago: God can flood the worl
3000 years ago: God can wipe out thousands, destroy cities and spur a nation into conquest
2000 Years ago: God can inspire an itinerant rabbi to and his followers to die.
1000 years ago: God can lead an entire continent into an age of darkness
500 years ago: God can inspire nations to fight the infidels
300 Years ago: God can inspire a reign of Terror
Today: God can appear on a cheese sandwich

Witness, if you will, the diminishing power of God!