(March 16, 2014 at 9:47 am)TaraJo Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 9:39 am)jimmyk2190 Wrote: ok but hasent the us gone into the middle east partly to protect israel??

the us congress votes on whether or not to go to war and the israel lobby has a great deal on influence in congress

Yep. That's kinda how lobbying works. We invaded Iraq at the request of oil companies lobbying, we imprison a huge number of our people at the request of lobbying from private prisons, we cut taxes on corporations to insanely low levels at the request of the Koch brothers and we maintain much more military than we need because of lobbying from defense contractors. We allow mentally disturbed people easy access to high power weapons because of lobbying from the NRA. They speak out for the benefit of their group; all of them. Just because the group in question happens to be a foreign nation doesn't make them any better than domestic entities.

so how did the war in the middle east benefit the us. Many people believe that 9/11 was planned. Few people believe that osama was killed. Also gas prices around the world are very high. and five oil producing nations were invaded

(March 16, 2014 at 9:52 am)jimmyk2190 Wrote: so how did the war in the middle east benefit the us. Many people believe that 9/11 was planned. Few people believe that osama was killed. Also gas prices around the world are very high. and five oil producing nations were invaded

I'm always curious when people say we invaded Iraq for oil. We buy less than 13% of our oil from the Middle East and that most all from Saudi Arabia. We buy most of our oil from the New World nations.

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/11/150444802/...-surprised

(March 16, 2014 at 9:56 am)Rahul Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 9:52 am)jimmyk2190 Wrote: so how did the war in the middle east benefit the us. Many people believe that 9/11 was planned. Few people believe that osama was killed. Also gas prices around the world are very high. and five oil producing nations were invaded

I'm always curious when people say we invaded Iraq for oil. We buy less than 13% of our oil from the Middle East and that all from Saudi Arabia. We buy most of our oil from the New World nations.

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/11/150444802/...-surprised

im not saying we dont buy oil from other nations buy oil was obtained from the invasions

(March 16, 2014 at 9:58 am)jimmyk2190 Wrote: im not saying we dont buy oil from other nations buy oil was obtained from the invasions

Was it? We obtained oil from invading them? Why wouldn't we just buy more from Canada? It would be a lot cheaper.

(March 16, 2014 at 9:59 am)Rahul Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 9:58 am)jimmyk2190 Wrote: im not saying we dont buy oil from other nations buy oil was obtained from the invasions

Was it? We obtained oil from invading them?

somebody did they dont have it anymore

(March 16, 2014 at 9:59 am)jimmyk2190 Wrote: yes

I've never read anything about it.

(March 16, 2014 at 10:00 am)Rahul Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 9:59 am)jimmyk2190 Wrote: yes

I've never read anything about it.

you know its funny we went itno libya right after their leader nationalized the resources.Those include gold and oil

(March 16, 2014 at 9:52 am)jimmyk2190 Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 9:47 am)TaraJo Wrote: Yep. That's kinda how lobbying works. We invaded Iraq at the request of oil companies lobbying, we imprison a huge number of our people at the request of lobbying from private prisons, we cut taxes on corporations to insanely low levels at the request of the Koch brothers and we maintain much more military than we need because of lobbying from defense contractors. We allow mentally disturbed people easy access to high power weapons because of lobbying from the NRA. They speak out for the benefit of their group; all of them. Just because the group in question happens to be a foreign nation doesn't make them any better than domestic entities.

so how did the war in the middle east benefit the us. Many people believe that 9/11 was planned. Few people believe that osama was killed. Also gas prices around the world are very high. and five oil producing nations were invaded

I didn't say the war benefited us; I said the war benefited oil companies. Big difference. And the oil companies still would have wanted to get their greedy little hands on Iraqi oil whether Ireal was part of the picture or not. Not to mention defense contractors would still have wanted us to buy more of their stuff to use in the Iraq invasion and private security firms would have wanted us to buy their services in Iraq, too. None of those factors have anything to do with Isreal, but I think they played a bigger role in the decision to invade Iraq than an Isreal lobby. I think the lobbying system is fucked up in general and the Isreal lobby isn't any better or worse than some of the rest of the lobbys out there.

(March 16, 2014 at 10:02 am)TaraJo Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 9:52 am)jimmyk2190 Wrote: so how did the war in the middle east benefit the us. Many people believe that 9/11 was planned. Few people believe that osama was killed. Also gas prices around the world are very high. and five oil producing nations were invaded

I didn't say the war benefited us; I said the war benefited oil companies. Big difference. And the oil companies still would have wanted to get their greedy little hands on Iraqi oil whether Ireal was part of the picture or not. Not to mention defense contractors would still have wanted us to buy more of their stuff to use in the Iraq invasion and private security firms would have wanted us to buy their services in Iraq, too. None of those factors have anything to do with Isreal, but I think they played a bigger role in the decision to invade Iraq than an Isreal lobby. I think the lobbying system is fucked up in general and the Isreal lobby isn't any better or worse than some of the rest of the lobbys out there.

the israel lobby plays the BIGGEST ROLE in influencing congress

(March 16, 2014 at 9:56 am)Rahul Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 9:52 am)jimmyk2190 Wrote: so how did the war in the middle east benefit the us. Many people believe that 9/11 was planned. Few people believe that osama was killed. Also gas prices around the world are very high. and five oil producing nations were invaded

I'm always curious when people say we invaded Iraq for oil. We buy less than 13% of our oil from the Middle East and that most all from Saudi Arabia. We buy most of our oil from the New World nations.

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/11/150444802/...-surprised

That's kinda the poin; to your average American, the oil isn't that big a deal. To the oil companies, who can finally get to oil that before the invasion was specifically off limits, it was a huge deal.