(March 16, 2014 at 9:31 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: Still waiting on that "proof" that you say is out there. If you have none, then your belief that vaccines cause illnesses is unjustified, and the fact that you use alarmist tactics to scare people into not using them is despicable. I'm very glad that the members of this forum are smart enough not to take your bullshit at face value, but I wonder if there's anyone you may have influenced along the way that may have seen you as an authority figure and taken your advice not to use vaccinations.

That's up to them, we all have to make our own minds up, we have so much out there who is for and who is against vac., people like you take whatever medical science says is true, the medical industry has killed millions over the years, in fact hospitals are the most dangerous place to be.

Not so long ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer, for two years I kept telling my doctor that I feel there was something serious wrong with me. I have pain in the lower back, and groin area, I said to the doctor that it could be my prostate, he said no, it wouldn't be that , my other doctor also said the same thing. I put up the pain for nearly two years, then they decided to check for prostate problems which they found.

80% of my prostate was cancerous, I have it removed which caused other problems which I won't go into. If I never complained all the time I would be dead now.

My father who died from a blood clot, died because of a young doctor who didn't report the clot when it was first found, they were going to dissolve the clot, but the staff who came after the young doctor wasn't told about the clot, my dad died that night.

So don't tell me that medical science don't make mistakes, and big mistakes at that !.

(March 16, 2014 at 9:48 pm)psychoslice Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 9:31 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: Still waiting on that "proof" that you say is out there. If you have none, then your belief that vaccines cause illnesses is unjustified, and the fact that you use alarmist tactics to scare people into not using them is despicable. I'm very glad that the members of this forum are smart enough not to take your bullshit at face value, but I wonder if there's anyone you may have influenced along the way that may have seen you as an authority figure and taken your advice not to use vaccinations.

That's up to them, we all have to make our own minds up, we have so much out there who is for and who is against vac., people like you take whatever medical science says is true, the medical industry has killed millions over the years, in fact hospitals are the most dangerous place to be.

Not so long ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer, for two years I kept telling my doctor that I feel there was something serious wrong with me. I have pain in the lower back, and groin area, I said to the doctor that it could be my prostate, he said no, it wouldn't be that , my other doctor also said the same thing. I put up the pain for nearly two years, then they decided to check for prostate problems which they found.

80% of my prostate was cancerous, I have it removed which caused other problems which I won't go into. If I never complained all the time I would be dead now.

My father who died from a blood clot, died because of a young doctor who didn't report the clot when it was first found, they were going to dissolve the clot, but the staff who came after the young doctor wasn't told about the clot, my dad died that night.

So don't tell me that medical science don't make mistakes, and big mistakes at that !.

Yet I've saved dozens of lives and only one has died while I've been performing surgery - and that was something that couldn't be controlled and had nothing to do with what he was in for . . .

Hi Beccs, well that's you, you don't represent every doctor in the world, maybe you were just lucky ?.

(March 16, 2014 at 9:54 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Hi Beccs, well that's you, you don't represent every doctor in the world, maybe you were just lucky ?.

Mistakes happen.

Luck has nothing to do with it. Trust me on that. U've been practicing for a number of years, now.

(March 16, 2014 at 9:48 pm)psychoslice Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 9:31 pm)Bad Writer Wrote:

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Still waiting on that "proof" that you say is out there. If you have none, then your belief that vaccines cause illnesses is unjustified, and the fact that you use alarmist tactics to scare people into not using them is despicable. I'm very glad that the members of this forum are smart enough not to take your bullshit at face value, but I wonder if there's anyone you may have influenced along the way that may have seen you as an authority figure and taken your advice not to use vaccinations.

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That's up to them...

It's up to you whether or not you tell them. You're spouting off your drivel with no evidence to back it up; you're as bad as a pastor explaining to a child suffering from appendicitis that only faith healing will work at this juncture.

psychoslice Wrote:...we all have to make our own minds up, we have so much out there who is for and who is against vac...

Like what? What is out there?

psychoslice Wrote:...people like you take whatever medical science says is true...

I've already explained this to you; I take medical science as the best information we have concerning the treatment of disease and illness, because those who are doing the science are the experts. I trust that their information is correct. Is their information true? As true as it can be until new information comes out that adds to or supersedes the old information.

psychoslice Wrote:...the medical industry has killed millions over the years, in fact hospitals are the most dangerous place to be.

Automobiles have killed millions over the years, in fact interstates are the most dangerous place to be.

psychoslice Wrote:Not so long ago I was diagnosed with prostate cancer, for two years I kept telling my doctor that I feel there was something serious wrong with me. I have pain in the lower back, and groin area, I said to the doctor that it could be my prostate, he said no, it wouldn't be that , my other doctor also said the same thing. I put up the pain for nearly two years, then they decided to check for prostate problems which they found.

My wife was once misdiagnosed with tourette's syndrome. Turns out she's actually got dystonia. What's your point? That misdiagnoses happen? Yes they do. How exactly does this put the nail in the coffin for vaccines?

You're conflating diagnosis with vaccination science. One of these things is not like the other.

psychoslice Wrote:80% of my prostate was cancerous, I have it removed which caused other problems which I won't go into. If I never complained all the time I would be dead now.

I'm sorry that you had cancer, but I'm relieved it was taken care of. Your persistence is obviously what helped clue the doctors into finding out what was actually wrong with you.

(But this still does not relate to debunking the science that goes into making a vaccine.)

psychoslice Wrote:My father who died from a blood clot, died because of a young doctor who didn't report the clot when it was first found, they were going to dissolve the clot, but the staff who came after the young doctor wasn't told about the clot, my dad died that night.

I'm really sorry to hear about your loss. Really, I am. Your story about your father is a common one, and it relates to something called "malpractice" which is far-removed from the science that goes into making a vaccine. Nice try though.

Here's one for you. My wife suffers from many symptoms that go beyond her dystonia. For the longest time she blamed it on the ingestion of certain types of food such as wheat, dairy, and soy products. Now, with help from the medical community and diligent research on our part, we are discovering that the food is not what is causing the problem. We still don't know what is doing it, but we at least know what it isn't.

Did the medical community lead her in the wrong direction at times? Possibly. Could all this heart ache and suffering have been avoided? Perhaps. Do we think all of medical science is bullshit because of a couple bad experiences? No; we're not that deluded.

psychoslice Wrote:So don't tell me that medical science don't make mistakes, and big mistakes at that !.

Medical science isn't perfect, but peer review keeps it from making big mistakes. So yes, I'm telling you that it doesn't make the kinds of mistakes that you're suggesting.

Now, do doctors sometimes err and misdiagnose? Absolutely, as was the case with your cancer. Do doctors commit malpractice at times? You betcha, as was evidenced in your father's case. However, do they make mistakes when researching vaccines that prevent diseases? It's possible, but the margin of error is greatly reduced when studies are peer-reviewed and reproduced numerous times. Now, the big question is, do vaccines cause illness? There is literally zero evidence to suggest such a thing.

Unless you have some for us.

(March 16, 2014 at 9:57 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(March 16, 2014 at 9:54 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Hi Beccs, well that's you, you don't represent every doctor in the world, maybe you were just lucky ?.

Mistakes happen.

Luck has nothing to do with it. Trust me on that. U've been practicing for a number of years, now.

Hopefully you will keep that good repetition up for many more years, but you have to agree that there are many mistakes made in the medical field, and of course were only human, which some people here don't realize.

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Hi Bad Writer, I don't like that picture of the man with the gun, I think you know why ?.

You believe everything that is told to you by medical science, or the WHO, FDA, and this is why what you read, and this is also why you will never change your mind, you wear the blinker of these organisations, and because of this you will always be blind to any other evidence.

cause not vaccinating has cured so many diseases or illness's.

(March 16, 2014 at 10:16 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Hi Bad Writer, I don't like that picture of the man with the gun, I think you know why ?.

You don't like my "Pulp Fiction" reference coupled with the demand for evidence? Too bad. If you keep talking big without anything to show for, I'm going to keep asking you the same questions, as will everyone else.

psychoslice Wrote:You believe everything that is told to you by medical science, or the WHO, FDA, and this is why what you read, and this is also why you will never change your mind, you wear the blinker of these organisations, and because of this you will always be blind to any other evidence.

What evidence? Where is this evidence that you speak of? The WHO, FDA, and medical science have evidence to back up their claims. What do you have? The choice I'm making is fairly easy, whereas the choice you are making has to be a really tough one as you are discarding any real evidence thrown your way.

So you believe the WHO, and the FDA never makes mistakes ??.

(March 16, 2014 at 10:45 pm)psychoslice Wrote: So you believe the WHO, and the FDA never makes mistakes ??.

Did you even read what I wrote? Is that what I said? You're either the most dishonest individual, the stupidest conspiracy theorist, or a complete and utter troll. Take your pick from these three, because I'm failing at naming a fourth option here.