(April 16, 2014 at 5:19 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Also I have a bet on how many times he's going to call someone "boy" in each page

Yeah, I just love that. The day he starts growing a pube is the day he gets to call someone else "boy". Until then, he's just angling for the slap he would get if he said that to my face.

(April 16, 2014 at 11:54 am)Confused Ape Wrote: I've found a useful page with various quotes about enlightenment.

Too many quotes.
I couldn't read them all but most of them are a mix of intellectual
extravaganza from people who never practice spirituality.
Enlightenment to me is the realization of who you really are.
You are God.

Quote:Enlightenment

[quote]There is an eternal, ever-present One Life beyond the myriad forms of life that are subject to birth and death. Many people use the word God to describe it; I often call it Being....To regain awareness of Being and to abide in that state of 'feeling-realization' is enlightenment.

--Eckhart Tolle

Is this the kind of thing you're talking about?

That is a good thought.

Quote:The page also has the following interesting quotation -
[quote]Enlightenment, liberation, is totally, utterly ordinary. It is not wonderful. It's not blissful, it is not the answer to everything. Life goes on. It goes on just as it did before. But the difference in liberation is the dropping away of any sense that there is anyone that life is happening to.
--Tony Parsons

Not at all.
Liberation and enlightenment go hand in hand with bliss which is missing in this comment.

Quote:I can't say that I've ever come across teachings about enlightenment being a state of permanent bliss where people are supposed to sit around like vegetables doing nothing.

The idea that people should work or doing something physical come from
the physical dimension (our actual dimension).

Quote:The Dalai Lama wrote an interesting article about science which has fascinated him since he was a child in Tibet.

Our Faith In Science - By TENZIN GYATSO

Quote:If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change. In my view, science and Buddhism share a search for the truth and for understanding reality. By learning from science about aspects of reality where its understanding may be more advanced, I believe that Buddhism enriches its own worldview.

For many years now, on my own and through the Mind and Life Institute, which I helped found, I have had the opportunity to meet with scientists to discuss their work. World-class scientists have generously coached me in subatomic physics, cosmology, psychology, biology.

Quote:He then goes on to say that he regards neuroscience as being particularly important.

That is Tenzin Gyatso not the Dalai Lama.
Interesting anyway.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:57 am)enrico Wrote: Everything related to this physical universe and excluding what is not physical like the consciousness.

But consciousness is just the manifestation of a physical process, you can't divorce the two.

(April 16, 2014 at 3:19 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: [quote='enrico' pid='651941' dateline='1397654010']
The search for happiness is the driving force behind new discoveries.

Really?

Oh absolutely! You'd be surprised at the nuggets Enrico has pulled out of that ass of his. Everyone of them has been arrived at by intuitional science and been peer reviewed by the voices in his head. Believe it.

(April 17, 2014 at 9:36 am)whateverist Wrote:

(April 16, 2014 at 3:19 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Really?

Oh absolutely! You'd be surprised at the nuggets Enrico has pulled out of that ass of his. Everyone of them has been arrived at by intuitional science and been peer reviewed by the voices in his head. Believe it.

I wonder if the voices have been sarcastic this whole time and that 'rico hasn't caught on yet...

"Oh yeah, that's a great theory. Post it, post it!"

(April 17, 2014 at 9:20 am)enrico Wrote: Enlightenment to me is the realization of who you really are.
You are God.

Oh I get it. enrico thinks that he is God, therefore he believes himself supremely knowledgeable and infallible.

That explains all the arrogance and condescension. I see it now.

(April 16, 2014 at 3:19 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: What is the 'physical-material sewer' exactly?

We are stuck inside a body as a driver would be stuck inside a car.
We are not the body but after so long that we are stuck inside we come
to believe that we are the body.
Getting out the sewer is the realization that we are finally free.

Quote:Do you understand what a dogma is?

An idea which is locked inside a corral where nobody is allow to challenge.
Like the water in a pond that is deprived of movement and oxygen and become stale.
Quick example.
You are not interested in establish a relationship with God or whoever you
think of and at the same time whining that God or that person does not reciprocate.
When challenge by someone who explain you the irrationality of your
thinking you just say.......IF GOD WOULD EXIST IT WOULD MANIFEST.
Can you see now how a dogma is created?

Quote:When I asked you if you had pulled those statistics out of your ass, i was trying to provoke you into providing a citation to provide evidence that the statistics had indeed come from somewhere like a study. This attempt seems to have failed. Can you guess what i'm going to ask you for now?

Not everybody need to look for information in books or other form of knowledge. You got one more dogma to deal with boy.

(April 16, 2014 at 9:13 am)enrico Wrote: The search for happiness is the driving force behind new discoveries.

Quote:Really? So Oppenhiemer was searching for hapiness when he made the atom bomb? So Darwin was searching for happiness when he came up with the theory of evolution, even though it caused severe unhappiness due to his christian beliefs?
Need I go on?

When you search in the physical world you never know whether you will find the royal jelly or a turd.

Quote:How exactly is 'spiritual progress' going to stop death? I think we'd all really be interested in hearing this. After you have explained how, you can go and get your nobel prize.

Spirituality is all about stopping the cycle of birth and death or continuous reincarnation.

Quote:OK, so i was right, the definition of philosophy is wrong because it isn't the same as yours.

You asked me one question and i answer you.
That does not mean that i am right or your wiki is right.
It is up to you to believe what you like.

Quote:I don't think you understand what I said. We don't know if there is life after death. But there is no evidence to suggest there is, so there is no justification for believing it.

Now you say this.
Months ago you were saying that life is finite.
Don't you worry i do understand very well what you
are babbling.

Quote:Qualifications don't mean everything. But they certainly are important. They let us know that the person speaking actually knows what they are talking about. They have passed tests by experts in a particular field and have demonstrated their aptitude at their subject. A person with qualifications is far more likely to know what they are talking about than someone who doesn't. If you heard a meteor was going to hit earth, which person would you be more likely to believe it from? A tramp or Stephen Hawkin? There is a very obvious answer here, lets see if you can get it.

As i just said yesterday the I control the mind and the mind control the body not the other way around so considering that the scientists are dealing with matter we can establish that those who control the I are smarter than those who deal with the matter or the mind only.

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(April 17, 2014 at 10:01 am)rasetsu Wrote:

(April 17, 2014 at 9:20 am)enrico Wrote: Enlightenment to me is the realization of who you really are.
You are God.

Oh I get it. enrico thinks that he is God, therefore he believes himself supremely knowledgeable and infallible.

That explains all the arrogance and condescension. I see it now.

One more stupid comment.
I am as everybody is.
Anyone engaged in tantric yoga get a personal mantra.
The sound is different but the meaning is the same.
Everybody and everything is God.

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(April 17, 2014 at 9:27 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(April 16, 2014 at 10:57 am)enrico Wrote: Everything related to this physical universe and excluding what is not physical like the consciousness.

But consciousness is just the manifestation of a physical process, you can't divorce the two.

Consciousness has been build by the physical-mental cohesion
or effort so it reflex the degree of progress that you have done.
As long as you are alive physically speaking you can not divorce but divorce will occur when the parallelism among body-mind and the I is lost with the physical death.

(April 17, 2014 at 9:20 am)enrico Wrote: Not at all.
Liberation and enlightenment go hand in hand with bliss which is missing in this comment.

Are you writing from personal experience? If not, where did you get your information from?

(April 17, 2014 at 9:20 am)enrico Wrote: That is Tenzin Gyatso not the Dalai Lama.
Interesting anyway.

The 14th Dalai Lama

The 14th Dalai Lama (religious name: Tenzin Gyatso, shortened from Jetsun Jamphel Ngawang Lobsang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso, born Lhamo Dondrub,[1] 6 July 1935) is the current Dalai Lama, as well as the longest lived incumbent.

Wikiquote -14th Dalai Lama

Quote:My confidence in venturing into science lies in my basic belief that as in science so in Buddhism, understanding the nature of reality is pursued by means of critical investigation: if scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims.
The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and Spirituality (2005)

If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change. In my view, science and Buddhism share a search for the truth and for understanding reality. By learning from science about aspects of reality where its understanding may be more advanced, I believe that Buddhism enriches its own worldview.
The New York Times (12 November 2005)

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(April 17, 2014 at 10:20 am)enrico Wrote: Everybody and everything is God.

So you follow Hindu beliefs? I found an interesting article on Hinduism Today about that.

See God Everywhere

Quote:It takes much meditation to discover God in all things and all beings, but that is the key to real happiness

Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami


My Satguru, Siva Yogaswami, was a great siddha, a master and a knower of God. He would say, "Liberation is within you." He would order his seekers to "See God in everything. You are in God. God is within you. To realize the Supreme Being within you, you must have a strong body and a pure mind." He was a powerful mystic from Sri Lanka, near India--perhaps the greatest to live in the twentieth century. His words drove deeply into the hearts of all who heard them. "God is in everyone. See Him there. God is overwhelmingly present everywhere. Regard everything as a manifestation of God, and you will realize the Truth" were his words. Simple words for a simple truth, but very, very difficult to practice.

(April 17, 2014 at 10:20 am)enrico Wrote:

(April 17, 2014 at 9:27 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: But consciousness is just the manifestation of a physical process, you can't divorce the two.

Consciousness has been build by the physical-mental cohesion
or effort so it reflex the degree of progress that you have done.
As long as you are alive physically speaking you can not divorce but divorce will occur when the parallelism among body-mind and the I is lost with the physical death.

So you are saying that you when you die your consciousness becomes a non-physical entity and separates from the body.

I call bullshit on this one.

(April 17, 2014 at 10:20 am)enrico Wrote: We are stuck inside a body as a driver would be stuck inside a car.

Really, because cars have these fantastic appliances called 'doors'. They open and close and allow occupants of the car to enter and exit whenever they want.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: We are not the body but after so long that we are stuck inside we come
to believe that we are the body.

How do you know that? All the evidence says is that we are our body. Our mind is a manifestation of all the signals and synapses in our brain. Can you point to an example of a mind without a brain?

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: An idea which is locked inside a corral where nobody is allow to challenge.
Like the water in a pond that is deprived of movement and oxygen and become stale.
Quick example.
You are not interested in establish a relationship with God or whoever you
think of and at the same time whining that God or that person does not reciprocate.
When challenge by someone who explain you the irrationality of your
thinking you just say.......IF GOD WOULD EXIST IT WOULD MANIFEST.
Can you see now how a dogma is created?

Yea that is very much a strawman there. No atheist uses that at the reason they don't believe god exists. Most atheists simply say that theists haven't met their burden of proof. That is all that is needed. There is no evidence for the existence of god, therefore I don't believe it exists.
I can now ask you the same question you asked me: Can you see now how a dogma is created? We can neither prove nor disprove your claims, but you believe in them anyway, despite plenty of evidence to the contrarty. Sounds like a dogma you have there.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: Not everybody need to look for information in books or other form of knowledge. You got one more dogma to deal with boy.

I fail to see how asking you where you got your information from is a dogma. The fact that you won't provide information as to where you got your percentages implies that you can't because you didn't look anywhere. You made them up off the top of your head. That makes you a liar and your percentages, invalid and unreliable.

Quote:Really? So Oppenhiemer was searching for hapiness when he made the atom bomb? So Darwin was searching for happiness when he came up with the theory of evolution, even though it caused severe unhappiness due to his christian beliefs?
Need I go on?

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: When you search in the physical world you never know whether you will find the royal jelly or a turd.

Your response makes no sense. You fail to address a clear contradiction of your assertion. Please try again.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: Spirituality is all about stopping the cycle of birth and death or continuous reincarnation.

Fantastic! Now, please explain in detail, how exactly that works. I want to know specifics here.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: You asked me one question and i answer you.
That does not mean that i am right or your wiki is right.
It is up to you to believe what you like.

Well, you disagreed with the definition from wikipedia and stated your own.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: Now you say this.
Months ago you were saying that life is finite.
Don't you worry i do understand very well what you
are babbling.

I'm going to have to explain this to you again? What is this, the third time?
I don't believe life is infinite, because there is no evidence to suggest that it is infinite. There is evidence, to support the claim that life is finite. There has never been an occasion where someone has died and come back to life. Not one.
Once again, you don't understand what I said.

Quote:Qualifications don't mean everything. But they certainly are important. They let us know that the person speaking actually knows what they are talking about. They have passed tests by experts in a particular field and have demonstrated their aptitude at their subject. A person with qualifications is far more likely to know what they are talking about than someone who doesn't. If you heard a meteor was going to hit earth, which person would you be more likely to believe it from? A tramp or Stephen Hawkin? There is a very obvious answer here, lets see if you can get it.

(April 16, 2014 at 10:29 am)enrico Wrote: As i just said yesterday the I control the mind and the mind control the body not the other way around so considering that the scientists are dealing with matter we can establish that those who control the I are smarter than those who deal with the matter or the mind only.

Once again, your response doesn't make sense, doesn't address anything I said and didn't answer my question.