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Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
I feel bad that a mere one totally hopeless bible head, who deem his time to be of no value unless it is to serve his fantasy, could have so easily and trivially wasted so much of so many wiser and more knowledgeable people's time.

And he is by no means the only such time waster on this forum.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
(May 1, 2014 at 5:40 pm)Chuck Wrote: I feel bad that a mere one totally hopeless bible head, who deem his time to be of no value unless it is to serve his fantasy, could have so easily and trivially wasted so much of so many wiser and more knowledgeable people's time.

And he is by no means the only such time waster on this forum.

To me this is not a waste of time. You appear to feel differently. You also appear to feel you have superior intellect over such a person as I. To me this isn't about who is more knowledgeable. We are discussion eternal matters here and is of much more value in my opinion than speaking on sports or weather. That's just my 2 cents.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
(May 1, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: To me this is not a waste of time. You appear to feel differently. You also appear to feel you have superior intellect over such a person as I. To me this isn't about who is more knowledgeable. We are discussion eternal matters here and is of much more value in my opinion than speaking on sports or weather. That's just my 2 cents.
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What about fossils are eternal, exactly? The Earth itself isn't eternal, therefore nothing on its surface would be eternal either, as there would always have been a time when that thing didn't exist just as there was a time when the Earth itself didn't exist.
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
(May 1, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: To me this is not a waste of time. You appear to feel differently.
So do I! I just don't lament over it. We're human, we waste time and we tilt at windmills, be they intransigent atheists or preachy theists. Sure, there are better ways to waste my time, but there are only so many episodes of Archer on Netflix, and sometimes we just have to find a way to get by.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
(May 1, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: To me this isn't about who is more knowledgeable. We are discussion eternal matters here and is of much more value in my opinion than speaking on sports or weather. That's just my 2 cents.

Adding the words "eternal" to a facile concept devoid of any support that can stand up to rigorous scrutiny does not make the concept any less flaky, nor give it any more value than the zero it would have had without these shabby effort at self-deceptive aggrandizement.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
(May 1, 2014 at 7:08 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(May 1, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: To me this isn't about who is more knowledgeable. We are discussion eternal matters here and is of much more value in my opinion than speaking on sports or weather. That's just my 2 cents.

Adding the words "eternal" to a facile concept devoid of any support that can stand up to rigorous scrutiny does not make the concept any less flaky, nor give it any more value than the zero it would have had without these shabby effort at self-deceptive aggrandizement.

Chuck - I don't think you're getting through to him. Try smaller words?
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(May 1, 2014 at 7:16 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
(May 1, 2014 at 7:08 pm)Chuck Wrote: Adding the words "eternal" to a facile concept devoid of any support that can stand up to rigorous scrutiny does not make the concept any less flaky, nor give it any more value than the zero it would have had without these shabby effort at self-deceptive aggrandizement.

Chuck - I don't think you're getting through to him. Try smaller words?


I tried. It didn't work.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
(May 1, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: To me this is not a waste of time.

It is if you are going to be willfully ignorant to real, demonstrable evidence.

Quote:You also appear to feel you have superior intellect over such a person as I.

You are probable intelligent enough to understand what we've been explaining to you. But your indoctrination is too deep to let you consider it.

When I deconverted from theist to atheist, I didn't become more intelligent. It just became more important to me to have as many true beliefs and as few false beliefs as possible. I was willing to go where the evidence lead, not lead the evidence to fit my existing beliefs.

Quote:To me this isn't about who is more knowledgeable.

When the discussion is about science and biology, it certainly is about knowledge.

Quote: We are discussion eternal matters here and is of much more value in my opinion than speaking on sports or weather. That's just my 2 cents.

Wasn't this thread about evolution?

What does that have to do with the existence or nonexistence of a god?

Did you ever post your 2nd proof?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
(May 1, 2014 at 7:24 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Wasn't this thread about evolution?

What does that have to do with the existence or nonexistence of a god?

This is what he doesn't get. Even if he *could* prove that evolution is false - it STILL lends no support to the "god hypothesis". That stands or falls on it's own merit.

He's just too stubborn and indoctrinated to understand this.
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I think he’s playing this board like a fiddle. He gets his kicks by seeing how much he can rile up the atheists. It’s obvious he doesn’t read serious responses in detail or with any real interest – he just quips his little one-liners, sits back and waits for more responses, and laughs. I don’t know why anyone bothers with the fool.
"If there are gaps they are in our knowledge, not in things themselves." Chapman Cohen

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