(June 5, 2014 at 11:06 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 5, 2014 at 11:02 pm)Beccs Wrote: [hide]
Dude, science, philosophy, etc were around LONG before Christianity.

Belief in God was here 50,000 years before Christianity was born in Rome.

No, belief in GODS was - not your god.

(June 5, 2014 at 11:26 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 5, 2014 at 10:18 pm)mickiel Wrote: Atheism does not predate Theism, because it came from it. Explain to me how there could be an Atheist, without there first being a Theist?

The term "atheism" may not predate theism (duh), But, the lack of belief in gods certainly predates any beliefs in any gods.

I think that can only be true with humans who were before the time of Adam; which I believe existed, the scientific and Archaeological evidence is there. But I understand many here do not believe in God, thus in Adam, so I did not go there. I see civilization, or modern man, beginning with a knowledge and awareness of God, but that argument is useless on an Atheist board.

(June 5, 2014 at 11:26 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 5, 2014 at 11:21 pm)Losty Wrote: Oh ok cool. I would just like to take this time to refer to my original comment in this thread. Science once had a good history with religion, and science once had a good history with flat earth theory.

I don't believe science has a very good relationship with either anymore.

As a whole, no, I don't think so. But they used to be a family. Now, its a family war, which gives more historical emotion to the battle.

All I see in this comment is weirdness. I'm sorry I have a hard time connecting the dots sometimes. Can you clarify what this means?

(June 5, 2014 at 11:28 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(June 5, 2014 at 11:06 pm)mickiel Wrote: Belief in God was here 50,000 years before Christianity was born in Rome.

No, belief in GODS was - not your god.

What's my God?

(June 5, 2014 at 10:21 pm)mickiel Wrote: I know science has no written mission to disprove religion, and I am glad that point is made clear. Some atheist may desire that to be true, but its not.

[correction in bold made by me]

There are many atheists who believe science will eventually make belief irrelevant (whether gawd is disproved or not) but very few (if any) who desire it as a "mission" for science.

Please stop capitalizing the word atheist. We are NOT members of some cult and it is NOT a proper noun.

(June 5, 2014 at 11:30 pm)Losty Wrote:

(June 5, 2014 at 11:26 pm)mickiel Wrote: As a whole, no, I don't think so. But they used to be a family. Now, its a family war, which gives more historical emotion to the battle.

All I see in this comment is weirdness. I'm sorry I have a hard time connecting the dots sometimes. Can you clarify what this means?

The Church and Science was in a union, it once served the church and was governed by it; like a child governed by its parent. One reason why science and religion get emotional in their irritation, is this past relationship; similar to the old famous family feuds in the south.

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(June 5, 2014 at 11:31 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 5, 2014 at 10:21 pm)mickiel Wrote: I know science has no written mission to disprove religion, and I am glad that point is made clear. Some atheist may desire that to be true, but its not.

[correction in bold made by me]

There are many atheists who believe science will eventually make belief irrelevant (whether gawd is disproved or not) but very few (if any) who desire it as a "mission" for science.

Please stop capitalizing the word atheist. We are NOT members of some cult and it is NOT a proper noun.

I did the caps out of respect, but it shall be as you wish, atheist.

(June 5, 2014 at 10:39 pm)mickiel Wrote: I believe in God because of the facts I have researched.

Never get a job where research is a requirement. You obviously aren't any good at it.

(June 5, 2014 at 11:36 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 5, 2014 at 10:39 pm)mickiel Wrote: I believe in God because of the facts I have researched.

Never get a job where research is a requirement. You obviously aren't any good at it.

No, I am not that good at it. Just slightly below average.

(June 5, 2014 at 11:31 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 5, 2014 at 11:28 pm)Beccs Wrote: No, belief in GODS was - not your god.

What's my God?

If you capitalise "god" as you do in your profile, then it's likely the Abrahamic deity since they're the only ones who do that.

However, I'll leave that open to you telling me. But I will say that you keep referring to a singular god when there have been tens of thousands created by humans over the millennia.

(June 5, 2014 at 11:30 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 5, 2014 at 11:26 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: The term "atheism" may not predate theism (duh), But, the lack of belief in gods certainly predates any beliefs in any gods.

I think that can only be true with humans who were before the time of Adam; which I believe existed, the scientific and Archaeological evidence is there. But I understand many here do not believe in God, thus in Adam, so I did not go there. I see civilization, or modern man, beginning with a knowledge and awareness of God, but that argument is useless on an Atheist board.

Founder of the Human Genome Project, and Evangelical Christian Francis Collins on the scientific untenability of Intelligent Design, and Adam and Eve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_0qy6U-Rtk

You don't have to reject the idea of an omnipotent, creator because it doesn't fit the creation story precisely, authored by bronze-age primitives 2000 years ago, in a notoriously hard to translate language.

If by an awareness of "God" you must mean "the divine," as that's a part of our minds we've been tapping into since fire was discovered.