(June 6, 2014 at 12:15 am)Cinjin Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 12:13 am)mickiel Wrote: So I just thought of a subject that may be interesting and a little stirring, but not threatening.

Some of the members here are quite brilliant and although I agree with Losty in that I think you could do just fine here once you learn your way around, I don't think you could ever bring something to us that was threatening.

Well I hope not, I do not believe in the Christian hell, nor do I see god threatening to put any human in some insane hell; I believe we all are destined to be with him. Which is why I cannot be Christian or in most religions, nor can I be an atheist; so I walk alone, and get put out of most places.

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(June 6, 2014 at 12:25 am)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 12:21 am)mickiel Wrote: Even most believers in God do not believe his existence can be proven; I disagree with them all the time. They take it on faith; I have no faith, so I needed the facts.

So, what facts did you find that "prove" your gawd? Even if it is only a "personal proof" (whatever the hell that is).

Man, that's like asking me to write a book. I have found thousands of them, and the list is still growing. But this thread is about science prior relationship to the church.

(June 6, 2014 at 12:28 am)mickiel Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 12:15 am)Cinjin Wrote: Some of the members here are quite brilliant and although I agree with Losty in that I think you could do just fine here once you learn your way around, I don't think you could ever bring something to us that was threatening.

Well I hope not, I do not believe in the Christian hell, nor do I see god threatening to put any human in some insane hell; I believe we all are destined to be with him. Which is why I cannot be Christian or in most religions, nor can I be an atheist; so I walk alone, and get put out of most places.

And what of this belief in Adam? Do you believe the bible comes from your god?

(June 6, 2014 at 12:33 am)Cinjin Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 12:28 am)mickiel Wrote: Well I hope not, I do not believe in the Christian hell, nor do I see god threatening to put any human in some insane hell; I believe we all are destined to be with him. Which is why I cannot be Christian or in most religions, nor can I be an atheist; so I walk alone, and get put out of most places.

And what of this belief in Adam? Do you believe the bible comes from your god?

I don't have a god, I don't know god, but I do like the bible, but I do not believe it is errorless, I think the Roman Catholic church and its translators raped it in many ways. I do believe there was an Adam, I do not believe he was the first man, but I do believe he was the first man God gave a working consciousness. Or the first man to fully comprehend.

I don't think primordial man was fully conscious. Not in my view. I think their instincts were just VERY high! Why God made them, I have no idea. But I think science has done an excellent job with archeology in their work discovering them.

Science and the church used to work good together as well.

I think there's a slight language barrier that's making some of Mikiel's posts read like someone JAQ-ing, but I don't think that's the intent.

Anyway, welcome to the board, look forward to the contributions

(June 6, 2014 at 12:48 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: I think there's a slight language barrier that's making some of Mikiel's posts read like someone JAQ-ing, but I don't think that's the intent.

Anyway, welcome to the board, look forward to the contributions

Well thank you and good night; where I am its 1 in the morning.

Peace.

I'm sure we'll pick this up another time. For now, I must retire to my comfy bed.


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(June 6, 2014 at 12:28 am)mickiel Wrote: Man, that's like asking me to write a book. I have found thousands of them, and the list is still growing. But this thread is about science prior relationship to the church.

Believe me, a new thread on that topic would be well attended: we haven't had new theist arguments for a while.

As to your initial argument, the split between science and the church can be pinned down to one thing: the intellectual honesty of those who respected the scientific method. To be clear, science isn't against god, it's against untrue things, and things without evidence- like gods- are really very close to being untrue things. Certainly, they aren't things we should accept as true.

The fact that science split from the church has nothing to do with jealousy, or a lust for power or any of that nonsense; it was simply because the church was unable to back up its claims with evidence befitting the scientific method, which is actually a trivially easy thing to do. That the church stumbled at the very first hurdle doesn't reflect poorly on science, but rather on the church itself.

(June 6, 2014 at 12:48 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: I think there's a slight language barrier that's making some of Mikiel's posts read like someone JAQ-ing, but I don't think that's the intent.

Anyway, welcome to the board, look forward to the contributions

Has the word contribution taken on a meaning not found in dictionaries?

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(June 6, 2014 at 12:48 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: I think there's a slight language barrier that's making some of Mikiel's posts read like someone JAQ-ing, but I don't think that's the intent.

Anyway, welcome to the board, look forward to the contributions

Has the word contribution taken on a meaning not found in dictionaries?

(June 6, 2014 at 1:31 am)Chuck Wrote:

(June 6, 2014 at 12:48 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: I think there's a slight language barrier that's making some of Mikiel's posts read like someone JAQ-ing, but I don't think that's the intent.

Anyway, welcome to the board, look forward to the contributions

Has the word contribution taken on a meaning not found in dictionaries?

I was going to conjugate it to the (hopeful) pluperfect tense, but I don't know how to do that in English.

(June 5, 2014 at 9:45 pm)mickiel Wrote: And the church was its mother. A fact many Atheist seem to be unaware of. Or would soon forget. You would be surprised to see how many scientist were believers in God that actually founded some serious science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chr...in_science

I am not a religious man or a Christian, but I am often amused at how some Atheist seem to use science as a type of weapon against religion, not knowing that science was once a bedfellow with religion.

And great universities like Oxford were based on theological colleges.

It still is to some degree, but the output of its science research has eroded the superstition that once dominated humanities understanding of the universe.

So I don't see what point you're trying to make?