(June 9, 2014 at 6:08 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 5:58 pm)Esquilax Wrote: No, you listed 17 scientific minds that also happened to be religious. That's not the same thing; what you're doing here is the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. After this, therefore because of this: "They were religious before they were scientists, therefore the fact that they were scientists is because they were religious." Well, they were also longtime poopers, probably before they were even religious; does that mean that poop produced seventeen branches of science?


Just replace "science" with "business acumen" in the above argument.

No, no, no; how are you going to separate a mans philosophy from his work? Come come now, the church birthed Charles Bell - the first to map the brain
Robert Boyle- founded modern chemistry
John Dalton - Atomic Theory
John Fleming - Electronics
Issac Newton-- Laws of Grtavity

All Christian, many ministers, some theologians. You cannot change these birth certificates and remove their religion or the churches influence over them.

But, in their day, how far would they have gone if they hadn't professed a religion in the first place, particularly the dominant religion of their culture?

(June 9, 2014 at 6:38 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Why do we get all the crazies?
Those people were born in places where most people were indoctrinated into Christianity, so it's no wonder they were Christian themselves.
Others browned top be born in Japan... not Christian... or India... or Arabia (where Arab numerals come from)...
Here's something else for your "from Christianity" series: castles; bourgeoisie, classical music.

I am not Christian and I could care less about some Christianity series; I am screaming history.

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(June 9, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 6:08 pm)mickiel Wrote: No, no, no; how are you going to separate a mans philosophy from his work? Come come now, the church birthed Charles Bell - the first to map the brain
Robert Boyle- founded modern chemistry
John Dalton - Atomic Theory
John Fleming - Electronics
Issac Newton-- Laws of Grtavity

All Christian, many ministers, some theologians. You cannot change these birth certificates and remove their religion or the churches influence over them.

But, in their day, how far would they have gone if they hadn't professed a religion in the first place, particularly the dominant religion of their culture?

They may have got killed? Who knows?

(June 9, 2014 at 6:47 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 6:38 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Why do we get all the crazies?
Those people were born in places where most people were indoctrinated into Christianity, so it's no wonder they were Christian themselves.
Others browned top be born in Japan... not Christian... or India... or Arabia (where Arab numerals come from)...
Here's something else for your "from Christianity" series: castles; bourgeoisie, classical music.

I am not Christian and I could care less about some Christianity series; I am screaming history.

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(June 9, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Beccs Wrote: But, in their day, how far would they have gone if they hadn't professed a religion in the first place, particularly the dominant religion of their culture?

They may have got killed? Who knows?

Precisely. So it was prudent to claim Christianity as your belief when the other options are death/torture/ridicule.

(June 9, 2014 at 6:51 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 6:47 pm)mickiel Wrote: I am not Christian and I could care less about some Christianity series; I am screaming history.

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They may have got killed? Who knows?

Precisely. So it was prudent to claim Christianity as your belief when the other options are death/torture/ridicule.

Yes; but we can only say other options COULD have been trouble.

(June 9, 2014 at 6:57 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 6:51 pm)Beccs Wrote: Precisely. So it was prudent to claim Christianity as your belief when the other options are death/torture/ridicule.

Yes; but we can only say other options COULD have been trouble.

From examples throughout history of people who either were against the church, or whose science went against church teachings, proving them wrong, it can be shown that persecution would be a pretty sure bet.

In fact, when an open atheist in some part of the US was voted onto a city council only a couple of years ago his opponents tried to invoke a state law that said atheists can't hold public office.

Fortunately, those laws are overridden by national laws

(June 9, 2014 at 6:08 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 5:58 pm)Esquilax Wrote: No, you listed 17 scientific minds that also happened to be religious. That's not the same thing; what you're doing here is the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. After this, therefore because of this: "They were religious before they were scientists, therefore the fact that they were scientists is because they were religious." Well, they were also longtime poopers, probably before they were even religious; does that mean that poop produced seventeen branches of science?


Just replace "science" with "business acumen" in the above argument.

No, no, no; how are you going to separate a mans philosophy from his work? Come come now, the church birthed Charles Bell - the first to map the brain
Robert Boyle- founded modern chemistry
John Dalton - Atomic Theory
John Fleming - Electronics
Issac Newton-- Laws of Grtavity

All Christian, many ministers, some theologians. You cannot change these birth certificates and remove their religion or the churches influence over them.

Because they did not let their beliefs get in the way of science.

It's called Compartmentalization, and it's the same reason you can

Quote scripture, and still claim you're not religious.

The oft-cited example of Francis Collins, founder of the human genome project and devout Christian, would not have been able to follow the evidence where it led, and scientifically prove the Adam and Eve story is impossible if he kept to strict religious doctrine.

The same goes for every other scientist.

(June 9, 2014 at 7:19 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 6:08 pm)mickiel Wrote: No, no, no; how are you going to separate a mans philosophy from his work? Come come now, the church birthed Charles Bell - the first to map the brain
Robert Boyle- founded modern chemistry
John Dalton - Atomic Theory
John Fleming - Electronics
Issac Newton-- Laws of Grtavity

All Christian, many ministers, some theologians. You cannot change these birth certificates and remove their religion or the churches influence over them.

Because they did not let their beliefs get in the way of science.

It's called Compartmentalization, and it's the same reason you can

Quote scripture, and still claim you're not religious.

The oft-cited example of Francis Collins, founder of the human genome project and devout Christian, would not have been able to follow the evidence where it led, and scientifically prove the Adam and Eve story is impossible if he kept to strict religious doctrine.

The same goes for every other scientist.

Other religions existed during those ages, but they were persecuted.

http://www.thefinertimes.com/Middle-Ages...-ages.html

We have to use common sense, I am sure some of those religious scientist may have been crossdressers, only dressing in religion, but I seriously doubt the majority of them.

(June 9, 2014 at 6:47 pm)mickiel Wrote:

(June 9, 2014 at 6:38 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Why do we get all the crazies?
Those people were born in places where most people were indoctrinated into Christianity, so it's no wonder they were Christian themselves.
Others browned top be born in Japan... not Christian... or India... or Arabia (where Arab numerals come from)...
Here's something else for your "from Christianity" series: castles; bourgeoisie, classical music.

I am not Christian and I could care less about some Christianity series; I am screaming history.

Curious.... I don't recall saying anything about your beliefs...

Your screams are reaching the point of insanity... you know that "correlation does not imply causation", right?

(June 9, 2014 at 3:14 pm)Tonus Wrote: So in a way, religion got humanity through its dark and ignorant period, giving us the time we needed to finally grow up?

It did such a great job, that were still recovering from the effects of the assistance!

Damn. We'd have personal hover-belts by now if not for religion.