(June 13, 2014 at 10:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Hmmm.....Major morale problem.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27815618

Quote:Thirty-thousand soldiers dropped their weapons and fled when confronted by an estimated 800 militants.

Taken at face value, this represents a complete breakdown in the chain of command and unit discipline, morale, and cohesion - and is also indicative of the quality of training that they received.

They're fucked.

Everything goes back to the election sham of 2000. Gore should have been President. We would never have gone into Iraq. Now we're gonna get the ultra neo-con hawk, corporatist hack Hilary Clinton pretty much continuing the Bush Doctrine 2.0 that Obama has co-opted with liberal support.

The likely alternative promises to be much worse.

(June 13, 2014 at 10:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Hmmm.....Major morale problem.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27815618

Quote:Thirty-thousand soldiers dropped their weapons and fled when confronted by an estimated 800 militants.

They must have been trained by the Italians.

(June 13, 2014 at 7:56 am)A Theist Wrote: I bet a lot of them don't. Saddam's regime brutalized, raped, tortured, and murdered thousands of Kurds, Shiites, political opponents, and everyone he was suspicious of. Saddam was a tyrant. I bet a lot of Iraqis would rather give their freedoms and their democratic government a chance to succeed....this was all predictable when Barack pulled out all American troops and left nothing by way of support. Barack's inexperience in foreign policy and his naive world view will create another terrorist state in Iraq and the Taliban will return to Afghanistan. The best thing Barack can do is resign from the presidency. He's the worse damn president since Jimmy Carter.

We would have to stay there forever. The place was doomed to fall apart as soon as we left, be it now or in twenty years. It was the inevitable result of the supreme Republican clusterfuck and what is happening right now is 100% Bush's responsibility. It wouldn't be happening now if he hadn't started the war in the first place.

Did you go over there and shed blood for the cause, or do you think that's just something other people are supposed to do for you?

(June 13, 2014 at 3:27 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Democracy cannot exist in a world in which the religion of the land dictates everything from culture to society and even to laws (Sharia).

It should be pointed out that a tribal socioculture emphasizing patriarchy, the subjugation of women, and the settling of disagreements with the blood feud long predated the invention of Islam. Indeed, I wouldn't doubt if the former directly influenced the shaping of Sharia'a, and Islamic doctrine in general.

Islam cannot exist without the political side.

Islam is ingrained in the political systems all Islamic Countries.

The same was true of jesusism before The Enlightenment.

There is hope but it has to come from within. The fuckers need to grow the up and stop wasting their time groveling to their murderous little god...and the fuckheads who claim to speak for him.

Yes, this speaks the same for all religions.

Islam is the current front runner going thru their own Darkage.

Iraq will have to sorted out on their own. USA should not intervene in this fight. This was going to happen no matter what.

We cannot support either side.
ISIS = Al Qaeda
Iraqi Government - Supported by Iran

This is a lose lose situation if the USA intervenes.