When did I say we have to give our lives to these organizations? All I suggested in the most sarcastic way possible was that pharmaceutical companies, whose subsistence depends on advancing the wellness of society, most likely aren't out to hurt us. If they were, we as consumers would be the first to know, and their snake oil would be put to rest very quickly.

(July 10, 2014 at 1:59 am)Bad Writer Wrote: When did I say we have to give our lives to these organizations? All I suggested in the most sarcastic way possible was that pharmaceutical companies, whose subsistence depends on advancing the wellness of society, most likely aren't out to hurt us. If they were, we as consumers would be the first to know, and their snake oil would be put to rest very quickly.

Would we really be the first to know, I think your too naïve.

We consume the drugs they make, so yes. If you have evidence to suggest otherwise, then submit it.

So. Did you buy a lot of medicine that treats fits caused by anti-polio vaccine?
What's it called?

Also, do you know of any instance where a drug is made that ends up being a greater risk than benefit and is not recalled?

(July 10, 2014 at 2:16 am)Bad Writer Wrote: We consume the drugs they make, so yes. If you have evidence to suggest otherwise, then submit it.

And do you have evidence to prove otherwise ???.

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(July 10, 2014 at 2:17 am)Bibliofagus Wrote: So. Did you buy a lot of medicine that treats fits caused by anti-polio vaccine?
What's it called?

I am not saying that medicine is totally bad, but its certainly not all good, you don't need intelligence to realize that.

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(July 10, 2014 at 2:19 am)Bad Writer Wrote: Also, do you know of any instance where a drug is made that ends up being a greater risk than benefit and is not recalled?

There is heaps of them if you want to research it, I'm just too lazing to find it all for you lol.

You lazy, motherucking asshat. You keep shoving that burden of proof on to the members of this forum, and you wonder why we seem so testy with you. We don't owe you a goddamn thing when you make unsupported claims sans evidence. Grow the fuck up, do your own fucking research, and stop whining at us about shit you can't even demonstrate to be true.

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Edit: you have never demonstrated to be true.

(July 10, 2014 at 2:33 am)Bad Writer Wrote: You lazy, motherucking asshat. You keep shoving that burden of proof on to the members of this forum, and you wonder why we seem so testy with you. We don't owe you a goddamn thing when you make unsupported claims sans evidence. Grow the fuck up, do your own fucking research, and stop whining at us about shit you can't even demonstrate to be true.

You are a real jerk aren't you, you think your right in everything you think, but the truth is you know fuck all.

(June 18, 2014 at 5:12 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(June 18, 2014 at 4:58 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: True. But so does smoking, drinking and obesity. Once you start legislating to MAKE people be healthy, not merely by forbidding poisons but by mandating positive treatments, you step over a very dangerous line into personal freedom imo. It's a bit fuzzy with kids because you could make a good argument that the parents are being neglectful, but it still treads on dangerous ground. I let my kids climb trees, eat dirt and I don't give them ab's unless they are hospital level sick. Those are my parenting choices. I don't want anyone else given the right to make them for me.

I'll grant you those objections, especially smoking and drinking as the detrimental effects do affect others. Not so sure on obesity which, while costing a lot in medical bills, generally only affects the individual, not those around them.

I'm also against throwing abs at everything and over using them.

I'm sorry to interrupt, but...abs?

Psycho, we have no obligation to take your words at face value. We are also under no obligation to stop calling you out for failing to meet your own burden of proof. Either try to back up your claims, or continue to be ridiculed by a community of skeptics.