(July 21, 2014 at 9:42 am)Natachan Wrote:

Quote:Meat is not the only cause of heart attack and strokes but it is the main cause.
As you say there are other factors as well.
Take the south pacific islanders.
They go mad for corn beef in the tin which is something that has been introduced by the white man.
Not many of them smoke or are under stress but most of them got diabetes and many are victims of heart attack and strokes.
They have always eaten a diet high on starches and they still do but why is that they got sick only when they started eating meat in the tin?

Without more info on this particular case I can't tell you. However as to meat and heart attacks the data is in and I'm sorry but no. Meat is not the cause. This hypothesis, called the lipid hypothesis, has been debunked. There are many countries that eat a lot of meat and have very little heart disease and some that eat very little meat and have lots of heart disease. The data just doesn't support the meat=heart disease hypothesis. In fact an ongoing study by (I think) Harvard shows that all things considered those people who eat more meat and saturated fat and less starches have less heart problems than those who eat less meat and have similar lifestyles otherwise.

I'll look into your claim though. Give me a few.

Edit: not many smoke, eh? The CDC says otherwise. And I quote: "The highest rates of cigarette smoking are among Southeast Asians males and they start smoking early in life putting them at greater risk for heart disease."

Two quick things before i go to bed.
1) Meat eaten in a cold country is not as bad as meat eaten in a hot country as the crappy fat can be used to fight the cold.
In the tropic there is no cold so the fat stay in the system.
2) Southeast Asian have nothing to do with south pacific islanders.

"Native Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders have higher rates of smoking, alcohol consumption, and obesity than other minority populations. Major causes of premature death among NHOPIs are obesity, cardiovascular diseases, cancer, and diabetes."

http://www.cdc.gov/minorityhealth/popula...nhopi.html

Don't post obvious lies. Don't post claims without research.

(July 21, 2014 at 10:11 am)Natachan Wrote: "Native Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders have higher rates of smoking, alcohol consumption, and obesity than other minority populations. Major causes of premature death among NHOPIs are obesity, cardiovascular diseases, cancer, and diabetes."

http://www.cdc.gov/minorityhealth/popula...nhopi.html

Don't post obvious lies. Don't post claims without research.

Lol. Are you serious?

You haven't got to know Ricky yet

If you want to know his idea of "research", ask him about "Intuitional science!

(July 21, 2014 at 10:11 am)Natachan Wrote: "Native Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders have higher rates of smoking, alcohol consumption, and obesity than other minority populations. Major causes of premature death among NHOPIs are obesity, cardiovascular diseases, cancer, and diabetes."

http://www.cdc.gov/minorityhealth/popula...nhopi.html

Don't post obvious lies. Don't post claims without research.

Indeed.
And there is also the fact that 'white men' not only took cans of corned beef, but modern medicine and agriculture as well. And fucking guess what? Fevers and starvation were almost instantly no longer the no 1 cause of death on these islands, to be replaced by diabetes and heart disease.

(July 21, 2014 at 7:46 am)Riketto Wrote: Direct experience is much better than your NON-direct.

Only if you're a solipsist. In the real world in which science is done, communicating and KNOWING ABOUT things other people have learned matters. You don't even have direct experience that is reliable-- exactly how many patients have you seen in total, and exactly how many of them were vegetarian? You don't even know, because you aren't relying on records, but on the ideas you keep shitting out your ass.

Quote:If you would see a slim person who just had an heart attack or a stroke you wouldn't even think that it is because he is obese inside.

Dafuq?

Quote:Luckily idiots with no direct experience are not allow inside hospitals.

And yet superstitious idiots who think their personal experiences are more important than scientific facts ARE apparently allowed there. Thank goodness that changing bedpans doesn't require actual medical knowledge or an understanding of the most fundamental principles of science, or you'd be out of a job. You claim to be an expert. Fine. Out of my OWN personal knowledge, I guarantee I can ask some biological questions which you won't understand or be able to answer. You know why? BECAUSE YOU CLEARLY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING about medicine.

(July 21, 2014 at 9:13 am)Riketto Wrote: In the history of this planet has never been experienced a man-made disaster of the kind that we are talking about.
So we only had natural events.

True.

(July 21, 2014 at 9:13 am)Riketto Wrote: Just few days ago when i first talk about the pole shift people were abusing me for talking rubbish.
Now that people discovered what a pole shift is they talk in a different way.

Pole Shift Hypothesis Scientific Research

Quote:More rapid past possible occurrences of true polar wander have been measured: from 790 to 810 million years ago, true polar wander of approximately 55° may have occurred twice.[4] There is no physical evidence of more rapid shifts occurring at any point during Earth's history.

Humans weren't around 790 - 810 million years ago so we had nothing to do with it.

(July 21, 2014 at 9:13 am)Riketto Wrote: As Sarkar said things can go either way in the positive or the negative so people can either go mad or get better and open themselves to spirituality.

I've seen ghosts and a water spirit. I feel disembodied presences. I met Apollo in a dream and had a vision of the Earth as a goddess. Does this make me spiritual or just someone with a brain which produces anomalous experiences? Anomalous experiences are very common and you don't have to be insane to have one.

(July 21, 2014 at 9:13 am)Riketto Wrote: By the way can you tell me where Hitler got the idea of the svastika?
(obviously i expect you not to look in a search engine, Ok?)

From what I remember without googling it the swastika is a Buddhist symbol.

(July 21, 2014 at 9:13 am)Riketto Wrote: If you go to Varanasi there are temples dedicated to Shiva in almost
every corner and almost every house has got a small place with Shiva
statues.
Varanasi or Benares how people call it appear to be the older city on planet earth according recent studies.
Now how is possible that in India million of people follow someone who never existed?

The Egyptians had temples to Isis. All the deities that humans have worshipped had temples or sacred sties. Does that mean they all existed?

(July 21, 2014 at 9:13 am)Riketto Wrote: On the other hand who suppose to have left all these teaching related to these people?

Humans discovered these things by themselves. After they'd forgotten who had made the discoveries they attributed it all to deities or cultural heroes. These days it's still a popular pseudo scientific idea that aliens visited Earth and taught humans how to build pyramids etc. There are flying machines in Vedic literature. Maybe Shiva was an ancient astronaut who came here in a space ship.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Natural phenomena
What a confusion Ape!
Man is not like an animal that is 100% instinct driven.
Man has got also the capacity to decide so the instinct does not play a big part like in animals.

Yes, we can now decide whether or not to eat meat. This doesn't mean we aren't omnivores, though.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: This capacity to decide can be dangerous if we make the wrong decision.
We can take decisions that go against nature and if we do mother nature has really nothing to do with it.
It can not be said that that mistake was her fault.

Eating too much factory farmed meat isn't good for us. Neither is eating a lot of other stuff in the modern diet good for us. Modern food processing only began during World War 2 so this is still within living memory. Our species hasn't had enough time to adapt to it properly.

(July 20, 2014 at 7:39 am)Riketto Wrote: Some people say that birds evolved from the dinosaurs.
Anyway i think it is quite unlikely that any other species other than the primates could evolve into humans.

Why would a species of dinosaur have needed to evolve into humans in order to have an intelligence and consciousness equal to that of humans? If there's intelligent life out there in the universe, these species won't be humans.

I'll never be able to take Rikerino's findings arrived at through intuitional science until I see them counter checked by guess-and-by-gosh science. Of course if you're looking for the stone cold truth it's hard to beat the Ouija board.

(July 21, 2014 at 1:18 pm)whateverist Wrote: I'll never be able to take Rikerino's findings arrived at through intuitional science until I see them counter checked by guess-and-by-gosh science. Of course if you're looking for the stone cold truth it's hard to beat the Ouija board.

Intuitional ouija board?

(July 21, 2014 at 1:51 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:

(July 21, 2014 at 1:18 pm)whateverist Wrote: I'll never be able to take Rikerino's findings arrived at through intuitional science until I see them counter checked by guess-and-by-gosh science. Of course if you're looking for the stone cold truth it's hard to beat the Ouija board.

Intuitional ouija board?

Why yeah. How else would it derive its validity? Obviously it is too subtle for everyday, regular old backward science to explain. Thank god for the more elegant intuitional apprach: all the validity, none of the annoying limitations.

(July 21, 2014 at 10:11 am)Natachan Wrote: "Native Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders have higher rates of smoking, alcohol consumption, and obesity than other minority populations. Major causes of premature death among NHOPIs are obesity, cardiovascular diseases, cancer, and diabetes."

http://www.cdc.gov/minorityhealth/popula...nhopi.html

Don't post obvious lies. Don't post claims without research.

For Christ sake, are you thick or what?
I said.......SOUTH PACIFIC ISLANDERS.
First you come out with south east Asia.
After i corrected your mistake you still come out with islanders leaving in the north hemisphere like Hawaii and Micronesia.
Not satisfy with your ego you even had the audacity to called me liar.
This is sick man. hock: