(July 24, 2014 at 7:53 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(July 24, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Purplundy Wrote: He has a right to be angry. Francis is a nice guy and all, and he IS acknowledging the problem of child molestation, but he's just. Not. Fixing it.
Francis' gotta grab this papal bull by the horns, so to speak, and make this a thing of the past.

Why not really make an impression and grab the bull by the balls?

And then get gored to death by the bull. That'd be funny.

(July 24, 2014 at 8:18 pm)ShaMan Wrote:

(July 24, 2014 at 8:15 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: The fact that he hasn't done that means that he's in the pocket of the cardinals.

Those assholes have all the pull

And they're in first place in the MLB. Bastards!

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(July 24, 2014 at 8:20 pm)Sejanus Wrote:

(July 24, 2014 at 7:53 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Why not really make an impression and grab the bull by the balls?

And then get gored to death by the bull. That'd be funny.

That bul,l of course, being centuries worth of dogma.

(July 24, 2014 at 8:21 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: That bull, of course, being centuries worth of dogma.

Catholicism teaches child rape? Jesus, I sure wasn't paying attention in church.

(July 24, 2014 at 9:51 pm)Purplundy Wrote:

(July 24, 2014 at 8:21 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: That bull, of course, being centuries worth of dogma.

Catholicism teaches child rape? Jesus, I sure wasn't paying attention in church.

No, no, they just teach that they're infallible so if they make a mistake they don't make a mistake. It's the old switcharoo.

(July 24, 2014 at 11:21 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: No, no, they just teach that they're infallible so if they make a mistake they don't make a mistake. It's the old switcharoo.

I keep on running into this one.
Infallibility in the Catholic Church (papal infallibility) only goes to the Pope, not priest-rapists or the bishops who protect them.
Even papal infallibility has its limits. The pope is not somehow morally superior to the rest of humankind. Not even the things he teaches are necessarily infallible. In the event that Church doctrine is in question, the pope can make an ultimate infallible pronouncement to end controversy.

Until Pope Frank opens the archives and turns over every shred of evidence to the authorities as well as anyone implicated in these sex scandals, he's still just another Pope to me.

Am I the only one those images aren't re-sizing for?

(July 25, 2014 at 7:00 am)Purplundy Wrote: I keep on running into this one.
Infallibility in the Catholic Church (papal infallibility) only goes to the Pope, not priest-rapists or the bishops who protect them.
Even papal infallibility has its limits. The pope is not somehow morally superior to the rest of humankind. Not even the things he teaches are necessarily infallible. In the event that Church doctrine is in question, the pope can make an ultimate infallible pronouncement to end controversy.

So he's infallible.

Except when he's not.

As an ex-catholic, I can tell you that you're not questioning Papal infallibility deeply enough nor paying enough attention to its impacts. You need to remember that Catholicism is hierarchical and totalitarian: all decisions are signed off by the Pope. That includes all local decisions, which are signed-off by proxy (infallibility is transmitted from one layer of the hierarchy to the next). Therefore it's the ultimate enabler for despicable acts because the church is forced to cover them up in order to protect the entire concept of Papal infallibility.

Yes I agree Pope Francis is a marketer and nothing else. He just wants to regain lost followers

(July 25, 2014 at 8:58 am)Ben Davis Wrote:

(July 25, 2014 at 7:00 am)Purplundy Wrote: I keep on running into this one.
Infallibility in the Catholic Church (papal infallibility) only goes to the Pope, not priest-rapists or the bishops who protect them.
Even papal infallibility has its limits. The pope is not somehow morally superior to the rest of humankind. Not even the things he teaches are necessarily infallible. In the event that Church doctrine is in question, the pope can make an ultimate infallible pronouncement to end controversy.

So he's infallible.

Except when he's not.

As an ex-catholic, I can tell you that you're not questioning Papal infallibility deeply enough nor paying enough attention to its impacts. You need to remember that Catholicism is hierarchical and totalitarian: all decisions are signed off by the Pope. That includes all local decisions, which are signed-off by proxy (infallibility is transmitted from one layer of the hierarchy to the next). Therefore it's the ultimate enabler for despicable acts because the church is forced to cover them up in order to protect the entire concept of Papal infallibility.

I cannot kudos this post enough times. I also know for a fact that it is canon law that every Catholic is required to obey the decisions of the Church and never consider them wrong on anything. The Church is allowed to, for instance, deny communion to Catholic politicians who don't vote the way they say. Of course, that doesn't mean that (as in the 1960 election) anyone should believe Catholic politicians will be chained to Rome. But the authoritarian vein running through the Church since the time of the Roman Empire is certainly there.